Not the same thing, people paying for an instrument to look old, pointless
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I don't hate pre-aging/Relics...
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The REAL question now is:
Who does a really good UN-relic job??? Kind of lusting after that Mike Dirnt '51 axe, but the faux road-wearing is a dealbreaker for me.
Who does a really good UN-relic job??? Kind of lusting after that Mike Dirnt '51 axe, but the faux road-wearing is a dealbreaker for me.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yours is as valid as any. But when you take every possible opportunity to make every human on earth aware of that opinion, whether they want to hear it or not, then it turns into more like a fart in a crowded elevator.
Relic, schmelic. I've become numbed by the whole thing, totally indifferent to it.
OTOH, this monstrosity appeals to my artistic sensibilities. No attempt whatsoever at looking like authentic play wear. Just a post-industrial apocalyptic functional work of art. As cool as Steampunk? C'mon!....who's with me?
OTOH, this monstrosity appeals to my artistic sensibilities. No attempt whatsoever at looking like authentic play wear. Just a post-industrial apocalyptic functional work of art. As cool as Steampunk? C'mon!....who's with me?
Looks like tetanus.Relic, schmelic. I've become numbed by the whole thing, totally indifferent to it.
OTOH, this monstrosity appeals to my artistic sensibilities. No attempt whatsoever at looking like authentic play wear. Just a post-industrial apocalyptic functional work of art. As cool as Steampunk? C'mon!....who's with me?
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It evoked an emotional response...that's good, that's what art does.
It was alluded to earlier, but I'm guessing that would actually decrease the resale value, right? Un-relic(k)ing a "pre-worn" bass. Potential buyer: "Hey, it's not stock any more, it might as well be a parts bass!" Insanity
Nope - I'm not upset. No worries there.
Thanks for sharing your Levi model - it makes my point. If you bought Levi 505's and they are blue here are all the shades of blue.
For your clarification - Levi's even tells you what "relicking" they do to each shade by the name (except for the one named after Dave Navarro)
If you have what you "think" is dark blue - it will be one of the top two.
I kid you not on the names...
Tumbled Rigid (so they didn't prewash the finished denim Jeans, they only heated them up in a dryer to fade only a little bit)
Rinse (they DID prewash the finished denim jeans, and then dried them, but in a way to minimize color loss.
Navarro
Kalsomine
Light stonewash
Dark stonewash
Medium stonewash
Your jeans were relicked.
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And to everyone else, we do not allow disrespectful comments about relic basses or those who own them- if you absolutely can’t help but share your opinion that you think they’re silly or dumb, feel free to shout it angrily at your nearest cloud, because it doesn’t belong here.
I want to do a driftwood p bass! I dig your bass! It’s not relived! It's art!Relic, schmelic. I've become numbed by the whole thing, totally indifferent to it.
OTOH, this monstrosity appeals to my artistic sensibilities. No attempt whatsoever at looking like authentic play wear. Just a post-industrial apocalyptic functional work of art. As cool as Steampunk? C'mon!....who's with me?
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How about if it's up on the wall and 1. You can't tell if it a used instrument and 2. You really love how it feels, plays and sounds?
"pro relic folks try to convince us folks that think its stupid that it isn't stupid" - I don't think that is it at all - since it sounds like you're in an pro relic thread trying to convince us that it is stupid -
What I think it is - is many anti-relic hate the idea, can't "understand" it, and are against it - as a concept. But then do sort of what you just did - hedge their bet. Not all, but most.
The anti-relic folks that do like the look of actual vintage instruments is what I'm grouping in here, not the folks who can't stand that 1962 Fender I posted because it is old but it looks old - hey if you hate ALL old looking basses, even the ones that are old - you're right no one is going to convince you of the beauty of worn finishes.
But if you like them, and you're anti-relic, and you don't "get" why people like them - while you can't identify the fakes from the real ones while you are live at a concert loving that Road Worn Jazz because you think it's real, or that great bass shop has a vintage room and that's also where they display their Fender custom shop relics, or from a closeup of the back of a beautifully warn body that's done right - it's just anti-relic Dogma, not based on fact. You hate an idea, not the relicked basses themselves in those scenarios...
That's why if I bought one because I like how it looked, and it played as nicely as one that looks new - it drives "us" crazy that the anti-relic crowd immediately tells the pro-relic crowd about four things, every time.
1. I'm showing off and being a "poseur" or poser... I want you to see my bass and think it is old when it is not.
2. You see my bass and only once you understand it is NOT a 1962 Jazz then you think the faked wear should have been "earned".
3. Everything else in the world that is made new to look old is stupid, but Jeans and Cars are the only examples provided.
4. They acknowledge in their statements that worn vintage instruments are either OK or better than OK.
Meanwhile,
A. If it feels, plays, and sounds OK or as good as our other choices but we buy it because we like how it looks - to us - every post like #1 is just wrong. You think we're poseurs - actively caring and acting in a way to influence you when we really don't actually care. We just like how it looks.
B. If you like how something looks - the bass won't tell you the stories of the wear... You either like that picture or you don't.
C. Our world is filled with other real examples of spending money to fit in with old things... Buildings, architecture, finishes on furniture or buildings, paintings and other new art, textiles...
D. If you like old finishes on truly vintage instruments and acknowledge that, then you better be able to pick out relics 100% of the time, from photos, and not like them 100% of the time... if not - you are actually the poseur - posing as someone who hates things conceptually but can't identify them all the time in reality.
Here's sort of a "test" question - if Talkbass had a lottery and you won it - and we all agreed to buy you any bass in the world - including custom made from anywhere - at any price, including vintage or celebrity owned - what would it be? Brand new, or not? (and you can't resell it)....
I might build another one, but then again, probably not. If you know and then build exactly what you want, you lose GAS for other basses.
If its up on the wall and used, then i will take it down..I think that part of my post is self-explanitory: I was referencing taking down a new one as that is the sentence in which the statement was made.....Quoted myself above and underlined for convenience
as far as the rest, You are making all kinds of accusations about me and you dont know anything about me, types of genres I play, my work experience, my history or age, or how much Luthier knowledge I have. As far as the "examples of agism in other arts" (Point C), art is subjective and a personal experience from individual to individual. I dont really care about new architecture trying to look old. I dont care about retro clothes unless its for a function Im being paid to dress up at. I dont care about 21st century frescoes painted to look like the Reniassance....Nor am I trendy. Not really sure why you even brought that up?..I have better things to do then argue on the internet --
...Like I said initially in that same post: If youre happy with a relic bass and like the way they look, Im happy for ya .....dont worry about what what anybody else, or I, think(s)
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It's not mine and never will be, pretty sure it's beyond cost prohibitive. Warwick does do some cool finishes, though. Like this one....
Here's another one I wouldn't mind having.
