:( I get no credit.

[Steph Dawe]

*brain explodes from too much text*

Can't wait for those muso, Pierce Brosnan lookalikes, can ya!

Quiet you.

 

[Trevorus]

Those have been my longest posts ever... I think I may be depressed, except when I talk about depression. I just don't function as well unless I think about sad thoughts....

 

[khay0s]

You sure about that? I glanced over the Effexor XR section in the 2004 PDR, but I got bored and quit. However, the Effexor XR website states that it's an SNRI, not an SSRI.

Effexor is an SNRI, but SSRI are far more commonly used, particularly for depression and anxiety.

No, Psychiatry is still mostly an MD, but it is moving away from that. The reason? Because it makes more sense to train people treating mental illnesses in more depth than is normally done in psychiatry. Areas like psychology are able to teach in far more detail than in psychiatry because psychology is able to focus on psychology - the study of the mind.

As I've said numerous times already, psychiatry, as a field, has an awful lot to thank psychology for. Before you start professing anything more, with absolutely no proof anyway, you really need to look at the history of the two and see that psychology was a new way of thinking. It brought drug therapy, genetics and technology to what was an old and failing study. Psychiatry viewed Freud as a god. It was until Skinner, Watson, Rogers etc. came along and said how poor it really was before psychiatry got with the times.

But, I'm arguing with a brickwall. You have nothing but intuition to argue with. I would guarantee that you'd say that starsigns and astrology have no basis and yet you argue with nothing more scientific than them.

Leigh

 

[Marlat]

Cmon we all know the only reasons people study psychology are:

a) they didnt have the grades to get in to medicine; or

b) its one of the few "Arts" subjects that doesn't get a laughed at; or

c) they want to pick up large volume of chicks that take first year psych.

 

[Dan Molina]

Cmon we all know the only reasons people study psychology are:

a) they didnt have the grades to get in to medicine; or

b) its one of the few "Arts" subjects that doesn't get a laughed at; or

c) they want to pick up large volume of chicks that take first year psych.

That's why I took it. lol
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Bass is good therapy, when other guys are going out having fun with their friends I spent most of my time practicing and writing songs. I spent 98% of high school with no social life.

yes I am emo...atleast I sound that way at the moment.

 

[khay0s]

Cmon we all know the only reasons people study psychology are:

a) they didnt have the grades to get in to medicine; or

b) its one of the few "Arts" subjects that doesn't get a laughed at; or

c) they want to pick up large volume of chicks that take first year psych.

Don't make me hurt you, Mark.

Leigh

EDIT: I'm not offended because (c) did enter my mind...

 

[Steph Dawe]

Cmon we all know the only reasons people study psychology are:

a) they didnt have the grades to get in to medicine; or

b) its one of the few "Arts" subjects that doesn't get a laughed at; or

c) they want to pick up large volume of chicks that take first year psych.

*worries about (c).... *

Psychology would, I imagine, tie in well with teaching.

 

[Marlat]

IIRC specialised teaching courses have small "child psychology" components to them. I think undergraduate Psych is way to general to give you any real insight into child psychology, you would need to go on and specialise after undergraduate psych (which is really just an overview much like a basic arts or science degree).

IIRC you need 2 or 3 years of study / supervised practice after completing an undergraduate degree before you can be admitted to the "profession" of being a psychologist. (I can't remember whether its mandatory or not to be admitted, I suspect not, but I may be wrong).

 

[Steph Dawe]

I'm not teaching little ones.

 

[Marlat]

I'm not teaching little ones.

Child <= 18

 

[khay0s]

IIRC specialised teaching courses have small "child psychology" components to them. I think undergraduate Psych is way to general to give you any real insight into child psychology, you would need to go on and specialise after undergraduate psych (which is really just an overview much like a basic arts or science degree).

IIRC you need 2 or 3 years of study / supervised practice after completing an undergraduate degree before you can be admitted to the "profession" of being a psychologist. (I can't remember whether its mandatory or not to be admitted, I suspect not, but I may be wrong).

You were right in the first instance, Mark - it is mandatory. I agree that there isn't really enough taught in most undergrad courses on lifespan. However, there is so much to learn that there isn't really much choice but to leave it for postgrad. I think that for teaching purposes, you certainly wouldn't need post grad to get a better insight. Post-grad course work in Australia generally relates to counselling, clinical, forensic or organisation psych. There really isn't any need going into that much depth to become a teacher. You'd earn more money going into one of those fields, instead. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that you wouldn't even necessarily need more than the 3-year psychology/behavioural science type degree.

I would suggest that if you want to know enough about psych for it to help you that you do atleast do the three years, though. My experience is that people who simply major in psych, and try to make use of it, think they know a lot more than they do. Often, the little knowledge they do have makes them think that they have greater insight to human behaviour than they really do. Trust me, there is nothing more irritating than someone who thinks that they can analyse you when they know very little about you. Its even worse when the person is in a position of power, much like a teacher. And yes, I know from personal experience.

Leigh

 

[Marlat]

K

Have you finished your undergrad degree yet or are you in your final year? If you have finished are you doing further study or going out to supervised clinical straight away? What area are you looking to specialise in?

BTW by "mandatory" I was referring to membership of the APA - do you know whether that is mandatory or can you legally practice without it?

 

[khay0s]

All things going to plan, next year should be my final. But, I'm considering taking it part time to relax before starting postgrad. I'm definitely going to do research because I hope to do a research PhD. There are a couple of areas I'm fascinated by. The main is social psych - particularly social cognition and attribution bias. I also have a particular cognitive theory that I've devised and waiting to research. Without getting into too much detail, there's a couple of theories on declarative knowledge and I think that there is a more logical explanation on how we store 'facts'.

Yes, to become a member of the APS (Australia Psych Society, APA is American), you have to complete atleast two years post grad of either supervised work or study. You can practice as a counsellor, but you can't be called a Psychologist without being a member of the APS.

Leigh

 

[Steph Dawe]

Trust me, there is nothing more irritating than someone who thinks that they can analyse you when they know very little about you.

Pwahaha... you did the exact thing with me over MSN.

Child <= 18

Legally, maybe, but not realistically. Year eights and nines, yes - tens upwards are usually better behaved. 'Specially when they have the option to leave school.

 

[puttz buster]

Jocks and party-ers win through college. After that, they'll be bagging your groceries.

exactly. the jock snoozers come into the gigs I play at now, and they crawl up your butt wanting to lug your gear and that. maybe they are showing remorse, or they have no one to impress anymore. Keep playing and concentrate on what you are doing, because in 6 years time, these fools are going to be watching you in a club burning it up, and they are going to crawl. tell them to get stuffed and have the bouncer "eject" them from the club just kidding. As for musicians giving you a hard time, don't 'try' and be nice, just be yourself, let your playing do the talking. Who is going to be getting the gigs down the track? not the wanna be loud mouth, the guy with the chops will get the gig.

 

[khay0s]

Pwahaha... you did the exact thing with me over MSN.

I did a pretty good job, though!

Leigh

 

[LiquidMidnight]

I don't believe that psychology shouldn't exist, and it does have it's uses, but yes, I do think it is second to psychiatry.

That's like saying that cognitive psychology is second to behaviorism just because behaviorism can be objectively measured. There's a reason why there are neurological, pyschoanalytic, sociological, Gestalt, behaviorist, evolutionary, functionalist, humamanist, ect. perspectives to pyschology: Because one alone cannot fully explain behavior.

Can psychiatry explain multi-intelligences? Can psychiatry illustrate why people who susbscribe to implicit personality theory are at greater risk of contracting AIDS. Can psychiatry point out GroupThink? Is there are neurotransmitter for mutli-intelligences, implicit personality theory, and GroupThink. If there are, hook me up with a pill so I can prevent the reuptake process for MI, because I'll be one smart mofo then.

 

[Steph Dawe]

That's like saying that cognitive psychology is second to behaviorism just because behaviorism can be objectively measured. There's a reason why there are neurological, pyschoanalytic, sociological, Gestalt, behaviorist, evolutionary, functionalist, humamanist, ect. perspectives to pyschology: Because one alone cannot fully explain behavior.

Can psychiatry explain multi-intelligences? Can psychiatry illustrate why people who susbscribe to implicit personality theory are at greater risk of contracting AIDS. Can psychiatry point out GroupThink? Is there are neurotransmitter for mutli-intelligences, implicit personality theory, and GroupThink. If there are, hook me up with a pill so I can prevent the reuptake process for MI, because I'll be one smart mofo then.

.... is that you Leigh?