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I Got Played

JdoubleH

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Jul 10, 2008
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The other day I pulled up Meg Myers' version of “Running Up That Hill” on Spotify for my wife. I had just heard it playing in the store I had just returned from, and couldn’t wait to share it with her. It’s a really good cover of the tune. When the song ended, she said, "hey why don't you put on “Down With The Sickness”?" I assumed she was just trying to push my buttons, as I’m not a Disturbed fan by any stretch.

So in a turnabout-is-fair-play spirit, I opted to play the second search result for that song title in Spotify, which was from someone named “The Professor” Nick Harrison. It turned out to be an absolute and total win: Here was a song I didn’t particularly care for rearranged with a gospel soul feel into a seriously grooving song that I immediately did like. I immediately wondered, “Who the heck is Nick Harrison? And why have I never heard of him?” Regardless of the tongue-in-cheekiness inherent the juxtaposition of styles along the lines of Postmodern Jukebox and other throwback reworks of later pop hits, the resulting track was shockingly good and seriously worked.

Intrigued, I put on another track of Nick’s, Lightning Crashes. OMG, the vocals, his range! I played another, Dragula (Rob Zombie). Wow! What a cool groove. He's even covered Would? by Alice and Chains. I then looked at his discography- This guy had been busy, with 4 or 5 full albums in the last year or so. Seriously, why had I never heard of this guy?!

So today, I figured I would google him and see if there were any live videos or interviews. Nada. Zilch. He’s got a YouTube channel, but there are no videos of him performing or singing any of this music… So I started reading some of the search result and realized why: Apparently, it’s all freaking AI generated fake music.

Queue the Sad Trombones (real ones preferably)

My first response was disappointment. I’ve still got several of these tracks stuck in my head. I thought I had stumbled onto a fantastic new artist who was doing things that I found not only very musically entertaining, but inspiring and uplifting. But calling it disappointment is truly shy of the mark. Disheartened, disgusted, distraught and demoralized are more like it. I’m a musician after all, if only by moonlight. But this could be why it stings so much to realize I’ve been played by AI: my day job is in IT, which of course we all know is under a rapidly growing assault from AI. Music has always been my refuge which restores balance and sanity to my world, and the robots are coming for that too.

In a world with so much fakeness, did we really need to add fake music?
I know some would say pop music has been fake for a long time. But not this level of fake. The Swedish House Mafia, for instance, is – as far as I know - actual people, who possess at least some musical knowledge or skill, actually creating tracks. Maybe it’s a whole lot of button pushing, cutting and pasting, and sequencing, but it’s conceived, ‘performed’ or programmed and produced by humans, not just a few words entered into a prompt. Despite the deep suspicions, fears and warnings of some, the drum machines, synths and sequencers never replaced all human drummers, horn sections and orchestras. However none of these technologies ever took ALL of the musicians out of the equation. These were merely tools which extended the reach and capabilities of musicians, and even if it was different and new, it was still music, and the creators were still artists. It was evolution of sorts, not a full blown revolution, the old ways still had plenty of merit, intrinsic value and indeed demand.

But when the humans have been completely taken out of the conception and production of what sounds like music, what the heck is it? Do we really call "The Professor" Nick Harrison the artist for conceiving the AI prompt which netted the resulting track?

The result is revolting, if you ask me. I’m not amazed or impressed by the supposed technological achievement. The urge to apply AI to absolutely every aspect of our lives possible and to refine it's capability to create images, audio and film which are indiscernible from human endeavor seems like a sickness - one I refuse to get down with, especially when it comes to music.

Don't fake the funk.

Jeff Hall

P.S. I could have linked the AI produced tracks I mentioned above, but decided it would be morally wrong to do so. If decide to seek it out and listen for yourself, it’s your choice. I am aware several other supposed human artists posting AI generated tracks on Spotify of, but chose not to risk promoting them as well.

Disclaimer: I'm not hating on what Nick Harrison has done here, her clearly stopped me in my tracks and got my attention. Heck, it even entertained me for a day or more. I did say I thought it was good when I first heard it. I've read the sticky about posting hate or troll threads about modern music. But should we really call this music? How should we treat it? I really do feel like we've entered a different realm from using loops, samples, sequencing and automation to produce music.
 
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If it was good music before you knew it was AI, it's still good music after.

Not that I'm defending AI-generated crap, of which there is far too much. But the only fault I see here is that they should have clearly identified it as AI-generated rather than pose behind a false human facade.
 
I got to admit, while I don't like it either, on the other hand, after years of digital excess in recording (endless vocoders, harmonies that sound ultra perfectly in tune, quantized robot time, and on and on), the human part of recorded music for me went away years ago, and anything AI today is no stretch from all that.

I'll say it once more: WHY would the music business be any different from any other business when it comes to embracing automation, and taking human beings (much less musicians at that !) with all their frailties and foibles and costs out of the loop. For every professional in the business, there are lots that aren't, and with the push of a button, they go away, and business becomes far more manageable and predictable.

You better get used to this.
 
The other day I pulled up Meg Myers' version of “Running Up That Hill” on Spotify for my wife. I had just heard it playing in the store I had just returned from, and couldn’t wait to share it with her. It’s a really good cover of the tune. When the song ended, she said, "hey why don't you put on “Down With The Sickness”?" I assumed she was just trying to push my buttons, as I’m not a Disturbed fan by any stretch.

So in a turnabout-is-fair-play spirit, I opted to play the second search result for that song title in Spotify, which was from someone named “The Professor” Nick Harrison. It turned out to be an absolute and total win: Here was a song I didn’t particularly care for rearranged with a gospel soul feel into a seriously grooving song that I immediately did like. I immediately wondered, “Who the heck is Nick Harrison? And why have I never heard of him?” Regardless of the tongue-in-cheekiness inherent the juxtaposition of styles along the lines of Postmodern Jukebox and other throwback reworks of later pop hits, the resulting track was shockingly good and seriously worked.

Intrigued, I put on another track of Nick’s, Lightning Crashes. OMG, the vocals, his range! I played another, Dragula (Rob Zombie). Wow! What a cool groove. He's even covered Would? by Alice and Chains. I then looked at his discography- This guy had been busy, with 4 or 5 full albums in the last year or so. Seriously, why had I never heard of this guy?!

So today, I figured I would google him and see if there were any live videos or interviews. Nada. Zilch. He’s got a YouTube channel, but there are no videos of him performing or singing any of this music… So I started reading some of the search result and realized why: Apparently, it’s all freaking AI generated fake music.

Queue the Sad Trombones (real ones preferably)

My first response was disappointment. I’ve still got several of these tracks stuck in my head. I thought I had stumbled onto a fantastic new artist who was doing things that I found not only very musically entertaining, but inspiring and uplifting. But calling it disappointment is truly shy of the mark. Disheartened, disgusted, distraught and demoralized are more like it. I’m a musician after all, if only by moonlight. But this could be why it stings so much to realize I’ve been played by AI: my day job is in IT, which of course we all know is under a rapidly growing assault from AI. Music has always been my refuge which restores balance and sanity to my world, and the robots are coming for that too.

In a world with so much fakeness, did we really need to add fake music?
I know some would say pop music has been fake for a long time. But not this level of fake. The Swedish House Mafia, for instance, is – as far as I know - actual people, who possess at least some musical knowledge or skill, actually creating tracks. Maybe it’s a whole lot of button pushing, cutting and pasting, and sequencing, but it’s conceived, ‘performed’ or programmed and produced by humans, not just a few words entered into a prompt. Despite the deep suspicions, fears and warnings of some, the drum machines, synths and sequencers never replaced all human drummers, horn sections and orchestras. However none of these technologies ever took ALL of the musicians out of the equation. These were merely tools which extended the reach and capabilities of musicians, and even if it was different and new, it was still music, and the creators were still artists. It was evolution of sorts, not a full blown revolution, the old ways still had plenty of merit, intrinsic value and indeed demand.

But when the humans have been completely taken out of the conception and production of what sounds like music, what the heck is it? Do we really call "The Professor" Nick Harrison the artist for conceiving the AI prompt which netted the resulting track?

The result is revolting, if you ask me. I’m not amazed or impressed by the supposed technological achievement. The urge to apply AI to absolutely every aspect of our lives possible and to refine it's capability to create images, audio and film which are indiscernible from human endeavor seems like a sickness - one I refuse to get down with, especially when it comes to music.

Don't fake the funk.

Jeff Hall

P.S. I could have linked the AI produced tracks I mentioned above, but decided it would be morally wrong to do so. If decide to seek it out and listen for yourself, it’s your choice. I am aware several other supposed human artists posting AI generated tracks on Spotify of, but chose not to risk promoting them as well.

Disclaimer: I'm not hating on what Nick Harrison has done here, her clearly stopped me in my tracks and got my attention. Heck, it even entertained me for a day or more. I did say I thought it was good when I first heard it. I've read the sticky about posting hate or troll threads about modern music. But should we really call this music? How should we treat it? I really do feel like we've entered a different realm from using loops, samples, sequencing and automation to produce music.
Generative “AI” is the world’s most sophisticated plagiarism machine.

Nothing about it is “intelligent”: it simply the result of a quantitative computer program blending various elements from trillions of dollars worth of stolen IP.

Sam Altman himself says the technology wouldn’t exist if the companies were forced to actually obey copyright laws.

The entire industry is a Ponzi/money laundering scheme: the top companies are all just passing the same money back and forth, without any actual plan to even become profitable.

Open AI, the largest US based AI company, reported *negative* $540,000,000 net revenue last year, yet they plan to spend $1,000,000,000,000 over the next five years: a plan which they are now asking the federal government to guarantee.

These people should be in prison.

The fact that AI data centers are also massively increasing the electric bills of regular people who don’t even use the service, as well as stealing their freshwater supply, is just icing on this unbelievably poopy cake.
 
Same thing happened to me when I found a new Ernest Ranglin album a few months ago on Spotify. On first pass I was amazed that the guy was even still moving his fingers. I got through a few hours of listening and then I noticed how quickly it seemed stale to me. I 'did a little research' and found that the 'band' had no previous recordings, there is no live material... I concluded without definitive confirmation that it must be AI. I did read that Spotify invested heavily in AI in order to reduce the royalties that they pay for streaming. Not sure how I'll vet new music going forward but will have to find something better than my ears alone.
 
Same thing happened to me when I found a new Ernest Ranglin album a few months ago on Spotify. On first pass I was amazed that the guy was even still moving his fingers. I got through a few hours of listening and then I noticed how quickly it seemed stale to me. I 'did a little research' and found that the 'band' had no previous recordings, there is no live material... I concluded without definitive confirmation that it must be AI. I did read that Spotify invested heavily in AI in order to reduce the royalties that they pay for streaming. Not sure how I'll vet new music going forward but will have to find something better than my ears alone.
What's the album called?
 
This AI generated crap is especially offensive if you grew up playing bass in bluegrass and oldtyme bands. Hell, we didn't even use clicktracks... it was the bass player's job to keep the band in time. You had to actually learn to sing the harmony parts while playing an instrument. It took actual intelligence. And a fair amount of practice. So I resent it, deeply. If someone else wants to make a case for it, go ahead. If they want that artificial influence, go ahead. I want nothing to do with it.
 
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This AI generated crap is especially offensive if you grew up playing bass in bluegrass and oldtyme bands. Hell, we didn't even use clicktracks... it was the bass player's job to keep the band in time. You had to actually learn to sing the harmony parts while playing an instrument. It took actual intelligence. And a fair amount of practice. So I resent it, deeply. If someone else wants to make a case for it, go ahead. If they want that artificial influence, go ahead. I want nothing to do with it.
Well, I grew up playing saxophone in rock and roll and jazz bands, and there were no click tracks there either.
 
This thorn is still in my side, and several of "The Professor" Nick Harrison's AI covers are still lingering in my brain. My wife loves several of the songs, and insists he MUST have sung the vocals- or somebody did.

More research was necessary and I googled whether he was actually singing. The results were far from conclusive, pretty much what I found the other day, which lead me to fly off the handle and post this thread: A bunch of reedit rabbit holes discussing AI music, Facebook, Instagram, and other junk- the same stuff I found the first time. None of them had any information really on process, or any videos of him actually singing anything. One of the Instagram posts is a video him reacting to an NPR Planet Money clip where one of his covers is mentioned and that the reporter was disappointed to learn it was AI generated, and embarrassed to admit that he actually liked it (The cover song was of RATM's Bulls On Parade).

I wasn't really getting anywhere with simple old school google search - and there were ironically no Gemini AI results summaries for anything I searched for, I resorted to using - gasp - AI to attempt to find an answer. So I pulled up ChatGPT and asked the question of whether this guy is actually singing anything on these tracks.
ChatGPT summarized:
What Is the Most Likely Situation
He probably is doing some of the vocals himself, at least the base vocal track, according to some users.
But he’s likely using AI or voice-cloning tools to transform or “cover” his own vocals into different styles (soul, yacht rock, etc.).
It doesn’t seem like the entire vocal is generated from text-to-singing AI without any human singing input — more like a hybrid process.

I also found in my searches comments that that Spotify and YouTube allow covers, and the streaming revenue goes to the original artist. I don't hate that concept, along the lines of fan fiction.

I know I said I had decided not to include links to his tracks, because I didn't want to promote or play a part in accelerating the robot apocalypse... But I have to say, the vocals on his AI cover of Lightning Crashes by the band Live send chills down my spine even though I know it's AI (especially verse 2 @ 1:07). His AI cover version of Rob Zombie's Dragula is I think the one that is deepest under my skin. It's such a cool arrangement that I actually kind of want to cover his cover! Which when you think about it would be pretty meta... Humans turning AI generated stuff back into human stuff.

FWIW, his youtube tracks are labled "AI Soul Cover", and are described as having been "engineered by "The Professor" Nick Harrison".

My moral reflexes are still flinching on this stuff though, even about posting the links above, but chose to do so in the interest of having an informed discussion about it. Some of it is no doubt very well done, and indeed very listenable, if you didn't know the difference. But I think that's the the larger point- Spotify does not label or require labeling of AI generated covers apparently, and it fooled me for a day or two.
 
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