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I just quit my band

I just quit the band I helped co-found. We were only together about 6 or 7 months but played over 16 paying gigs locally and have had great responses.

I would really like some opinions on if you think I over-reacted or if I made the right choice;

I play bass and my good friend from another band plays lead guitar. We formed this new band. After playing rotating drummers we finally seem to have found our guy. Our lead singer is a good singer but a bad frontman. He brings zero people, has almost no stage presence, and helps ZERO when it comes to loading in and packing up gear. He also is very cheap and doesn't want to even pay for his own gear until he knows he's going to be reimbursed from paying gigs. My lead singer went off on him multiple times for not contributing as much as the rest of us and eventually he got tired of the harassment and quit. Two days later, my guitarist begs him to come back, which ticked me off. Now, the singer has his giant ego fully inflated and thinks he is untouchable. We have about 50 songs, only 1 of which I contributed. My other suggestions have been deemed "gay" (their word, not mine) or not right for the band, whereas the singer has contributed Blackstreet, John Mayer, and Usher songs which were fasttracked into the set list. We are a 90s/classic rock cover band. How did these songs get into our set list??!

But I dealt with it, variety is good and as a bassist having some R&B songs around is a nice exercise at times. But Saturday, I couldn't take it anymore. The venue was nearly empty and our singer kept making comments about how there was nobody there and was essentially telling the bartenders how to promote their venue better; then he constantly steps on my guitar cables and despite being asked nicely multiple times, he continues to have no respect for my gear. He was very unprofessional, then suddenly the place fills up with people and suddenly he wants to become a rock star and starts taking it seriously. I understand the important of fan interaction, but we are paid professional gigging "musicians" and he should have had his gameface on the entire night, not just the last 1.5 hours.

The real blow came after the gig when packing up. He sits down at a table with all the girls and chats them up while I pack up 3/4 of the band gear. I complain multiple times to the guitarist (and friend and co-founder of the band) and he basically makes me feel like a jerk and says for me to 'let it go.' So I talk to my girlfriend about him, and she defends him too saying 'he's a nice guy'.

I feel really bad, like my heart was just ripped out of my chest, but I have put in a lot of work co-founding the band and promoting and gigging and everything that comes with a band whereas this amateur does nothing. I feel like the band has consistently chose his (and their own) opinions and concerns over mine. I don't know if I made the right decision as I have poured my soul into this band and others for the last 6 or more years. Now I feel like I have nothing to show for it but gear that isn't going to be getting used anymore.

So giving the information I've stated (which is a very abridged version), what do you think? Am I over-reacting to an egotistical singer and hurting everyone in the process, or do you think I'll be happier elsewhere? At this point the gigs haven't been fun and I really don't even want to play anymore. Which is a shame because a month ago, I was ready to take on the world. I just don't know...
 
I just quit the band I helped co-found. We were only together about 6 or 7 months but played over 16 paying gigs locally and have had great responses.

I would really like some opinions on if you think I over-reacted or if I made the right choice;

I play bass and my good friend from another band plays lead guitar. We formed this new band. After playing rotating drummers we finally seem to have found our guy. Our lead singer is a good singer but a bad frontman. He brings zero people, has almost no stage presence, and helps ZERO when it comes to loading in and packing up gear. He also is very cheap and doesn't want to even pay for his own gear until he knows he's going to be reimbursed from paying gigs. My lead singer went off on him multiple times for not contributing as much as the rest of us and eventually he got tired of the harassment and quit. Two days later, my guitarist begs him to come back, which ticked me off. Now, the singer has his giant ego fully inflated and thinks he is untouchable. We have about 50 songs, only 1 of which I contributed. My other suggestions have been deemed "gay" (their word, not mine) or not right for the band, whereas the singer has contributed Blackstreet, John Mayer, and Usher songs which were fasttracked into the set list. We are a 90s/classic rock cover band. How did these songs get into our set list??!

But I dealt with it, variety is good and as a bassist having some R&B songs around is a nice exercise at times. But Saturday, I couldn't take it anymore. The venue was nearly empty and our singer kept making comments about how there was nobody there and was essentially telling the bartenders how to promote their venue better; then he constantly steps on my guitar cables and despite being asked nicely multiple times, he continues to have no respect for my gear. He was very unprofessional, then suddenly the place fills up with people and suddenly he wants to become a rock star and starts taking it seriously. I understand the important of fan interaction, but we are paid professional gigging "musicians" and he should have had his gameface on the entire night, not just the last 1.5 hours.

The real blow came after the gig when packing up. He sits down at a table with all the girls and chats them up while I pack up 3/4 of the band gear. I complain multiple times to the guitarist (and friend and co-founder of the band) and he basically makes me feel like a jerk and says for me to 'let it go.' So I talk to my girlfriend about him, and she defends him too saying 'he's a nice guy'.

I feel really bad, like my heart was just ripped out of my chest, but I have put in a lot of work co-founding the band and promoting and gigging and everything that comes with a band whereas this amateur does nothing. I feel like the band has consistently chose his (and their own) opinions and concerns over mine. I don't know if I made the right decision as I have poured my soul into this band and others for the last 6 or more years. Now I feel like I have nothing to show for it but gear that isn't going to be getting used anymore.

So giving the information I've stated (which is a very abridged version), what do you think? Am I over-reacting to an egotistical singer and hurting everyone in the process, or do you think I'll be happier elsewhere? At this point the gigs haven't been fun and I really don't even want to play anymore. Which is a shame because a month ago, I was ready to take on the world. I just don't know...

I've been in similar situations before and I've realized, that this is normal. I mean, how many bands stay together after just a few years? Very few.

Being in a band is being in a relationship, but with a bunch of people.

Move on, this type of things happens to most of us.
 
At this point the gigs haven't been fun and I really don't even want to play anymore. Which is a shame because a month ago, I was ready to take on the world. I just don't know...
What has changed in a month that takes you from the top of the world to ready to stop playing? You either need some meds or some thicker skin.

It doesn't sound like you've gotten a fair shake, but you quit, you weren't fired. There is an old saying, "Act in haste, repent in leisure." Next time figure out what your issues are and start seeing if you can work through them. I don't know if quitting was the right thing to do, but it doesn't sound like you thought through if very carefully.
 
Like it or not, the front man is the face of the band. they had better have singing chops and good stage presence. If I notice my front(wo)man talking to fans to help promote us I overlook it. If she's talking to her friends (which she doesn't) I mention something to her.
 
I say quit. If things aren't fun anymore then there's not really a point in staying unless its your main income (no offense honestly, but I doubt it is). In my opinion I would have left too. I would have tried bringing up said issue to the band as a whole so everyone either knows my issue or straight up gets why I quit at least so there would be no room for gossip and drama once I'm gone.

But again, that's just me. There is no right or wrong choice, just decisions that take you to different endpoints. I don't think that's a quote, but man do I feel like Mr. Miyagi right now.
 
I've been in similar situations before and I've realized, that this is normal. I mean, how many bands stay together after just a few years? Very few.

Being in a band is being in a relationship, but with a bunch of people.

Move on, this type of things happens to most of us.

The longer I play the more I'm convinced that playing with people I'm compatible with is as, if not more important then their musical skills. I'm a weekend warrior. Everyone has a day when something or someone pisses them off but when it's every time then it's time to move on. I was in a project that never got off the ground (for a number of reasons) that had two configurations, one with a guitarist/front man who I didn't get along with. It got to the point where I wouldn't play with that configuration anymore as I just disagreed with the antics of that front man too much (we only played in E and A, and he would start playing and we would play guess that song, etc). One of the other posters mentioned being thin skinned. I'm not a particularly thick skinned person, though I've learned not to react at the slightest provocation. The bottom line for me is when it stops becoming fun it's time to move on. It sounds like you hit that point.
 
If you don't like the people you're playing with, you're going to quit sooner or later--unless the money is extremely good AND you love the music AND there is tons of glory. Right and wrong are irrelevant here.

Based on what you wrote, I predict that you won't regret this decision.
 
Just remember, if you quit... you quit... they will just move on - they will not chase you and beg you to reconsider.

One band I quit did, sure 'nuff. Asked me to come back. I said I'd help out, but my priority gig was elsewhere by then.

I say, if it ain't fun it ain't worth doing. Trouble can get the hell outa my way. I quit that band because I didn't like the stuff they had begun to play, and the sound onstage was horrendous, and unfixable. I had been with them for nine years.

Quit another band due to some bad business practices they were doing. Wasn't any fun anyway.

Things can't always be perfect, though, so you must be careful and think things through. In your case it sounds to me that it all bothered you enough that, if it were me, it would've sent me out the door, too. Don't feel bad. There's better gigs out there. I've never missed a step being in another band either of those times I quit one. As a matter of fact, I just got a call last week to start even another one on top of the one I already have.

You'll do fine without the woe getting in the way of the enjoyment. Good luck, pal.:D
 
1) We were only together about 6 or 7 months
2) played over 16 paying gigs locally
3) had great responses.
4) Lead singer brings zero people, has almost no stage presence, and helps ZERO loading in/out. He also is very cheap.

I summarized you post. Easier to respond.

Three important things to consider:
Money
Music
Hang

You need two of the three to stay based on TB's Common Law of Being in a Band .

Money seems good.
Music seems good. (You posted no complaints about the lead vocals being bad).
Hang (except for lead singer seems good).

The singer won't change so it's up to you to decide what's acceptable to you.

Since you knew he didn't help with the load in/out before the gig, why did it set you off at THIS gig?

Seems to me that your anger has been simmering for awhile and you took this time to let it out.

Better that you would have had a band meeting and stated your complaints and what your demands are to stay in the band. If your demands weren't agreed to, then you could have quit because you took a stand based on your professional requirements.

It appears you are a very passive type person who let's things happen around you (with a lot that you don't agree with) and then blows up about it. ( I used to be exactly like that. :atoz:)

Now you come off as a hot-head who gets pissed off after a successful gig about not be helped in your load out by your singer who you already knew wouldn't help you. :bawl::bawl: (I acted like that back in the day :atoz: Quit a couple of gigging bands for bassically no real reason other than how I interpreted some situation).

Get it?

Your guitarist and girl friend get it.

Speaking of being unprofessional.

BTW, it was totally unprofessional for:

1) your other lead singer to be bitching to your current lead singer about his action/inaction causing him to quit.

2) your guitarist to ask him to return to the band without speaking with you (co-founder) first.

3) you and the guitarist to allow your other lead singer to interfere with this band.

4) you to keep complaining at the gig about your lead singer not helping load out.

Can you see that, based on your passivity, people are making decisions and taking action without concerning themselves what you think because, in their eyes, you'll pretty much go along with anything and not cause too much of a fuss about it?

You teach people how to treat you. Sometimes it means taking a stand, sometimes moving on to new friends, sometimes making changes in your own thought processes....

IMO, since you're gigging and the music is good, I think you overreacted.

What you could have done:
1) Since you previously knew about the load out situation, just do it yourself, like you did anyways.

2) If you need equipment for the lead singer, buy it yourself and get reimbursed out of his future pay, with his agreement.

3) At the next band meeting, ask for additional pay since you do most of the load in/out and setup.

4) Consider that finding another lead vocalist with less problems will be difficult at best. At least this one seems to be reliable (shows up for rehearsal/gig timely, learns the tunes, doesn't appear to have a substance abuse problem). Like Forrest Gump's mama said, Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get...

If you move on already, learn this stuff for the next band and the next band and the next band....

Also, study the following thread for future reference: If I only knew then...

Good luck.
 

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