I Love Stingrays, but $7,000?

[sleddogn]

never understood sooooo much butthurt from some who just don't get it. who cares if you don't like it or don't want it, there are others who might...why get bent out of shape over something that has NOTHING to do with you. and this is just a generalization, tired of the haters out there, go hate somewhere else, .....

 

[JMacBass65]

never understood sooooo much butthurt from some who just don't get it. who cares if you don't like it or don't want it, there are others who might...why get bent out of shape over something that has NOTHING to do with you. and this is just a generalization, tired of the haters out there, go hate somewhere else, .....

Exactly! I wish the Internet didn't bring out the worst in people.

 

[Raulplaysbass]

Besides the charity donation and the mega success of AC/DC (opinions on weather you like/dislike or agree/disagree is irrelevant), If you have just a little bit of knowledge/understanding of cost, time and the manufacturers, it makes complete sense as to why it cost $7000. Just read the promotional text and watch the videos. Some of the materials, manufacturing and assembly processes have been obsolete for decades. And to interrupt your manufacturing and assembly lines. All to only produce 26 units is pretty huge. Nitro Lacquer and put in a freezer for the checking just one example... Cha-Ching! I’d bet their margins are pretty thin.

 

[PBassin]

never understood sooooo much butthurt from some who just don't get it. who cares if you don't like it or don't want it, there are others who might...why get bent out of shape over something that has NOTHING to do with you. and this is just a generalization, tired of the haters out there, go hate somewhere else, .....

Most of the time it’s rooted in envy (whether they admit it or not). The hate is simply a reflection of it. It might even be the same people that viciously and unrelentingly argue that their Squier is better than any custom shop model. However, provided the means or ability, they wouldn’t turn down an opportunity to own a bass such as this one (even if they argue otherwise).

 

[PhatBottomBass1]

Exactly! I wish the Internet didn't bring out the worst in people.

I hear ya...

 

[Nomad5]

Most of the time it’s rooted in envy (whether they admit it or not). The hate is simply a reflection of it. It might even be the same people that viciously and unrelentingly argue that their Squier is better than any custom shop model. However, provided the means or ability, they wouldn’t turn down an opportunity to own a bass such as this one (even if they argue otherwise).

Agreed man. I have #25 of 26, so there are definitely enough people out there who get it Haters gonna hate.

Cheers,

 

[Gase Baytar]

Nice! ^

 

[2milehighspike]

Agreed man. I have #25 of 26, so there are definitely enough people out there who get it Haters gonna hate.

Cheers,

For an overpriced POS, they sure seem popular, according to the MM website there are only 2 left, wish one of them was mine! Congratulations on getting yours! Rock on!

 

[PBassin]

Agreed man. I have #25 of 26, so there are definitely enough people out there who get it Haters gonna hate.

Cheers,

I still don’t know which number mine is yet. I likely won’t know until I get it, unless I can see it in the Sweetwater photos once it ships.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Kudos to those that picked up one.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

My evil side wants to get a used SUB and relic it (intentionally poorly). But that would be too much work, so just imagine my evilness. Heh.

 

[bobyoung53]

I wanted a Ric in 1977, my guitar player and I went to E.U.Wurlitzers in Boston to buy one. They had this new fangled bass called a Musicman something or other there. I tried it and my guitarist wanted me to buy it but my heart was set of getting a Ric, which I did. I wish I knew that they were going to be worth a f

No, it’s poplar wood
I could’ve purchased an authentic 1978 stingray for around 4500 a few weeks ago
But 7k for a reissue..?
...and Made of poplar wood?

I do hope ALL the proceeds really go to this foundation because that would really be f’d up!

I wanted a Ric in 1977, my guitar player and I went to E.U.Wurlitzers in Boston to buy one. They had this new fangled bass called a Musicman something or other there. I tried it and my guitarist wanted me to buy it but my heart was set of getting a Ric, which I did. I wish I knew that they were going to be worth a fortune now, I might have bought it and actually reading this thread makes me kind of want one for the first time in my life, better late than never as they say.

 

[Rob Stanfield]

Cliff Williams | Basses | Ernie Ball Music Man
I love my Stingray, and most things, Ernie Ball, but this is a little over my head.

What do you think?

Mike

$7000 Street Price could translate into something slightly more affordable but it still seems very high. I've seen some Alembics with much more detailed construction go for about half the suggested street price retail shops I mean really what does only 26 made mean in the long run.

 

[Bassist Jay]

When I initially heard about this bass and the outlandish pricing of it I laughed and thought everyone at EBMM had lost their minds. I didn’t think a single one would sell. At least not in the $7,000.00 price range. I don’t even think their new mass produced basses are worth North of $2,000.00 and up.

Their price gouging increase cost on all instruments in 2018 or 2019 is what made me decide to never buy another new instrument from them again. At the same time, they stopped supporting the Game Changer app and made the guitar and bass Game Changer’s obsolete and then only slightly different than any other regular guitar and/or bass.

When I voiced my disagreeing with what they were doing and had done, one of the moderators slandered me and put words in my mouth and claimed that I had said and did things that I never did. That in turn led me to boycott anything EBMM related for life. Them raising their prices astronomically and discontinuing the Game Changer app only meant that I would no longer buy any of their instruments new but would still play the ones that I owned. But when the one moderator decided to make false accusations against me and say and do things that I never did, that in turn made me swear off using anything they made or recommending them to other people for life.

With this Cliff Williams bass, I couldn’t believe what they were wanting to sell them for but then I found out why, I thought that was very noble of them to do. Obviously Sterling Ball, everyone at EBMM and many of the forum members have a long track record of helping other people out and giving to charities that help fund and contribute money and/or resources to worthy causes.

With the Cliff Williams basses, after the 26 basses that were made or are being made, it makes me wonder why they don’t also make a mass produced Cliff Williams signature bass and then sell it for $500.00 or $1,000.00 above what they would normally sell the same bass for and then have that extra $500.00 or $1,000.00 also go to the same charity but because the basses would be more affordable and having some of the profits off of the basses going to a worthy cause, I bet a lot more would sell. If the normal bass was $2,700.00 and they raised the price to $3,200 or even $3,700.00, how much more would go to the charity? Only 26 of the current basses will have proceeds go to the charity Cliff has set up. But how much more could be donated if they sold 50 to 100 every year? That would be anywhere from $25,000.00 a year to $100,000.00 a year going to the same charity annually. Right now, if every penny of the 26, $7,000.00 basses went to the charity, that is a 1 time only donation of $182,000.00. Obviously a very nice contribution but I am curious why they didn’t also offer a mass produced, more affordable Cliff Williams signature series bass that would also give continuous but smaller contribution amounts to the same charity?

While I am still firm on never playing or using anything EBMM ever again I do think that what they are all doing here is very awesome!

 

[bovinehost]

As I said earlier in this thread, there is a lot of bad information on the internet.

 

[SgtHulka]

When I initially heard about this bass and the outlandish pricing of it I laughed and thought everyone at EBMM had lost their minds. I didn’t think a single one would sell. At least not in the $7,000.00 price range. I don’t even think their new mass produced basses are worth North of $2,000.00 and up.

Their price gouging increase cost on all instruments in 2018 or 2019 is what made me decide to never buy another new instrument from them again. At the same time, they stopped supporting the Game Changer app and made the guitar and bass Game Changer’s obsolete and then only slightly different than any other regular guitar and/or bass.

When I voiced my disagreeing with what they were doing and had done, one of the moderators slandered me and put words in my mouth and claimed that I had said and did things that I never did. That in turn led me to boycott anything EBMM related for life. Them raising their prices astronomically and discontinuing the Game Changer app only meant that I would no longer buy any of their instruments new but would still play the ones that I owned. But when the one moderator decided to make false accusations against me and say and do things that I never did, that in turn made me swear off using anything they made or recommending them to other people for life.

With this Cliff Williams bass, I couldn’t believe what they were wanting to sell them for but then I found out why, I thought that was very noble of them to do. Obviously Sterling Ball, everyone at EBMM and many of the forum members have a long track record of helping other people out and giving to charities that help fund and contribute money and/or resources to worthy causes.

With the Cliff Williams basses, after the 26 basses that were made or are being made, it makes me wonder why they don’t also make a mass produced Cliff Williams signature bass and then sell it for $500.00 or $1,000.00 above what they would normally sell the same bass for and then have that extra $500.00 or $1,000.00 also go to the same charity but because the basses would be more affordable and having some of the profits off of the basses going to a worthy cause, I bet a lot more would sell. If the normal bass was $2,700.00 and they raised the price to $3,200 or even $3,700.00, how much more would go to the charity? Only 26 of the current basses will have proceeds go to the charity Cliff has set up. But how much more could be donated if they sold 50 to 100 every year? That would be anywhere from $25,000.00 a year to $100,000.00 a year going to the same charity annually. Right now, if every penny of the 26, $7,000.00 basses went to the charity, that is a 1 time only donation of $182,000.00. Obviously a very nice contribution but I am curious why they didn’t also offer a mass produced, more affordable Cliff Williams signature series bass that would also give continuous but smaller contribution amounts to the same charity?

While I am still firm on never playing or using anything EBMM ever again I do think that what they are all doing here is very awesome!

A mass produced Cliff Williams sig bass similar to this would instantly and significantly reduce the value of this limited run. If I bought one, I would be massively teed if they did.

 

[BJMtz]

If I had the money to do so I would totally buy a $7,000 bass. Maybe not this one since I like ACDC only ok, but I would pay that amount for a Carl Thompson if it wouldn't scratch the surface of my bank account. The donation to the charity is cool so props to the TB members who have picked one up.

 

[Wood and Wire]

When I initially heard about this bass and the outlandish pricing of it I laughed and thought everyone at EBMM had lost their minds. I didn’t think a single one would sell. At least not in the $7,000.00 price range. I don’t even think their new mass produced basses are worth North of $2,000.00 and up.

Their price gouging increase cost on all instruments in 2018 or 2019 is what made me decide to never buy another new instrument from them again. At the same time, they stopped supporting the Game Changer app and made the guitar and bass Game Changer’s obsolete and then only slightly different than any other regular guitar and/or bass.

When I voiced my disagreeing with what they were doing and had done, one of the moderators slandered me and put words in my mouth and claimed that I had said and did things that I never did. That in turn led me to boycott anything EBMM related for life. Them raising their prices astronomically and discontinuing the Game Changer app only meant that I would no longer buy any of their instruments new but would still play the ones that I owned. But when the one moderator decided to make false accusations against me and say and do things that I never did, that in turn made me swear off using anything they made or recommending them to other people for life.

With this Cliff Williams bass, I couldn’t believe what they were wanting to sell them for but then I found out why, I thought that was very noble of them to do. Obviously Sterling Ball, everyone at EBMM and many of the forum members have a long track record of helping other people out and giving to charities that help fund and contribute money and/or resources to worthy causes.

With the Cliff Williams basses, after the 26 basses that were made or are being made, it makes me wonder why they don’t also make a mass produced Cliff Williams signature bass and then sell it for $500.00 or $1,000.00 above what they would normally sell the same bass for and then have that extra $500.00 or $1,000.00 also go to the same charity but because the basses would be more affordable and having some of the profits off of the basses going to a worthy cause, I bet a lot more would sell. If the normal bass was $2,700.00 and they raised the price to $3,200 or even $3,700.00, how much more would go to the charity? Only 26 of the current basses will have proceeds go to the charity Cliff has set up. But how much more could be donated if they sold 50 to 100 every year? That would be anywhere from $25,000.00 a year to $100,000.00 a year going to the same charity annually. Right now, if every penny of the 26, $7,000.00 basses went to the charity, that is a 1 time only donation of $182,000.00. Obviously a very nice contribution but I am curious why they didn’t also offer a mass produced, more affordable Cliff Williams signature series bass that would also give continuous but smaller contribution amounts to the same charity?

While I am still firm on never playing or using anything EBMM ever again I do think that what they are all doing here is very awesome!

There's easily $4000+ in man hours, and materials in each one of these instruments.

On top of that, there's the man hours + additional costs involved in the R&D, meticulously measuring and analysing Cliffs original bass - not to mention the case, case candy, and shipping / distribution.

Factor in the additional costs to EBMM, in terms of disruption to their regular production, and the margins must be extremely tight for them to be able to make a charitable donation, and break even.

I think if they were to offer a regular Sting Ray "Classic", with the same road-worn finish, it would retail at close to $5000.

 

[bovinehost]

Their price gouging increase cost on all instruments in 2018 or 2019 is what made me decide to never buy another new instrument from them.

Yes, that's fine, we've all heard the story. But please tell it every time a Music Man thread pops up.

When I voiced my disagreeing with what they were doing and had done, one of the moderators slandered me and put words in my mouth and claimed that I had said and did things that I never did. That in turn led me to boycott anything EBMM related for life.

Cool story, bro. Do tell it over and over again, especially when the subject is a freakin' bass guitar.

 

[SgtHulka]

Cool story, bro. Do tell it over and over again, especially when the subject is a freakin' bass guitar.

I hate to state the obvious but isn't that exactly what we talk about here at TalkBass?