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I made up my mind: I prefer lined fretless.

I've got both lined and unlined fretless basses. Honestly, I see no reason in playing an unlined unless you wanna feel like a badass lol At the end of the day no one's impressed and your intonations probably gonna be off 90% of the time. I get how an unlined kind of forces you to play by ear instead of with your eyes but everybody learns differently; you could also just close your eyes if you wanna play by ear lol . Fret lines are dope, I back them 100%

If you are playing a fretted bass, your intonation is already automatically off 90% of the time, but you can't correct it. If you play a lined fretless and assume the lines are "in tune", your intonation will also be automatically off 90% of the time, but at least, if you also use your ears, you can correct it quickly.

Playing an unlined fretless does not mean you don't use your eyes as well as your ears. Most players play with at least some visual cues, unless they are actually sightless or playing in the dark, and even for those who find the pursuit of playing with no visual cues desirable or an ego boost, they generally still have some physical positional references, like playing seated or in a fairly static position so that their range of motion can be more easily gauged.
 
I have a fretless bass with a clean fretboard. No problem playing it when I had it up and going. Got to get new tuners on it, strings and setup. It's been awhile cause I have other basses. But to tell ya the truth, I really like the aesthetics of a clean board. Reminds me so much of a bass cello. :)
 
I had a blank plank as my #1 for a good many years . I rarely went mwah , I also play upright . I was often told that people had no idea I was playing a fretless bass .
Took that as a compliment ...
I also started with a lined fretless after years of playing URB, and got similar comments. I've also gotten the reverse when playing a fretted bass with heavy vibrato, especially with legato.
I prefer lined, and with fingerboard dots just for aesthetics. But I refuse to play a fretless Jazz Bass with 3TSB and no pickguard.
 
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I am so glad I bought the Glarry instead going in the deep end with a Tony Franklin. I can play unlined fretless and I can stay in tune, but frankly, I don't need the challenge of an unlined fingerboard. Lined or not, it is very easy to go out of tune playing fretless. The lines make it much easier for me to self correct. Your mileage may vary, but I have no shame in my game:we get no bonus points for difficulty of execution, so I am happy to have the help of lines.

You make a good point and, if it works for you, that's all that matters.

Personally, lined or unlined makes no difference; although I have never had the "need" to play a lined fretless. I am but a humble 4-string fretted bass player, at heart. But I do like the "where did all the frets go" stuff too; preferably with neck markers (dots).

So, compared with fretted bass playing: Is it harder?; yeah. Would lines help?; kinda. So your dots work?; kinda. No dots?: kinda, but sorta harder kinda. ***?

Well, this is what happened. Not that long ago, I was playing bass in a band. It was early days but we had rented a dedicated rehearsal room. The material was basically contemporary rock covers, so I started out with what I do best: 4-string fretted bass work. However, it soon became apparent that a 5-string fretted bass was required so, while introducing that, I decided to throw a fretless into the mix.

Having at least the three basses at each rehearsal, I decided to rotate their use, rehearsal after rehearsal, which worked pretty well. In this respect, my unlined dotted fretless was perfectly adequate, until...

... well, you see, the rehearsal room had bright lights, so we could see that we could all see what we were doing. But it also has, softer, not so bright lights, as I soon found out whilst rehearsing.

Midway through a song, fretless in hand, I watched as one of our three guitarists (who wasn't playing at that particular moment) crossed the room and switched the bright lights off.

Now, don't get me wrong; I like the soft lights except that, without warning, I couldn't see my fret dots, so my fingers were now, in effect, playing "fretless in the dark" as I call it.

And, no, lines wouldn't have helped; it was dark. Of course, I am assuming that on a lined fretless bass, the lines are to be seen, not felt (as I said, I've never played one).

As for playing "fretless in the dark", the problem was short-lived. My fretless basses are now equipped with portable clip on adjustable neck lights (as typically found on traditional music stands).

Okay, it's a bit weird, but ***!
 
I have played mostly fretless the last few years. The first one I bought had lines, but I decided that for me, the lines didn't really help much. A few side markers did.

I think the issue is that we are such visual creatures that anytime the eyes have data, they think they are in charge. Big dog at the conference table with all the senses.

And I dont know about you, but for me, my eyes dont know a damned thing about playing a bass. Certainly not about intonation. I need to encourage my ears to take control, not making the eyes think they can do this.

Like I said, everyone is different, and whatever works is best. But my intonation is better if my brain tells my eyes to shut up and sit down. This is an ear thing.

But a few side dots: 5, 7, 12 can be a help in navigation, while not getting too involved in intonation.
 
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fwiw, given my limits don't really allow me to opine with authority, I prefer my fret-pulled+filled Jazz over the purpose, unlined fretlesses I have had (particularly a 35" 5-string which was scary).

Anyhoo, I was mostly asking about these messages:

I tend to think Jaco couldn't care less.

When he was alive he didn't give a damn either.

Because I remember reading a post-mortem interview story that the writer offered an unlined fretless and a fretted P and Jaco took the fretted bass. I've never seen (I'm no Jaco expert) a picture of him playing an unlined - possibly this Carvin that was in a previous thread:
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but did Jaco not have much preference?
 
I am so glad I bought the Glarry instead going in the deep end with a Tony Franklin. I can play unlined fretless and I can stay in tune, but frankly, I don't need the challenge of an unlined fingerboard. Lined or not, it is very easy to go out of tune playing fretless. The lines make it much easier for me to self correct. Your mileage may vary, but I have no shame in my game:we get no bonus points for difficulty of execution, so I am happy to have the help of lines.

AGREE with OP
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I am a fretted player80% of the time...I did invest in a fretless schectar 5 string and it haves fret markers at every fret all 24 and it is driving me mad. As my technique improves I believe I will go to a unlined neck. So I would lean to unlined neck...just saying!
 
I am so glad I bought the Glarry instead going in the deep end with a Tony Franklin. I can play unlined fretless and I can stay in tune, but frankly, I don't need the challenge of an unlined fingerboard. Lined or not, it is very easy to go out of tune playing fretless. The lines make it much easier for me to self correct. Your mileage may vary, but I have no shame in my game:we get no bonus points for difficulty of execution, so I am happy to have the help of lines.

When you are an improvisor or play more complex stuff, then lines Will benefit greatly. Almost All the great players use lined fretless. Gary Willis, Alain Caron, Mark Egan, Marcus Miller...to name a few. Jaco said lines really helped him.
 
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I am so glad I bought the Glarry instead going in the deep end with a Tony Franklin. I can play unlined fretless and I can stay in tune, but frankly, I don't need the challenge of an unlined fingerboard. Lined or not, it is very easy to go out of tune playing fretless. The lines make it much easier for me to self correct. Your mileage may vary, but I have no shame in my game:we get no bonus points for difficulty of execution, so I am happy to have the help of lines.

I was at a Gary Willis clinic many years ago in Austin and when he was asked the question about why he's not playing an unlined fretless his exact quote was "playing an unlined fretless is insane"!! for the very reasons you stated!!! That's not me, that's Gary Willis!!!
 
90% of the time I play fretted bass but I have purchased a few fretless basses in my past because they are constantly drawing me back...just love the sound
Bought this one about a month ago and I'm never letting her go View attachment 3950735

That is a beast of sheer beauty!!
 
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Woooww :)
you have an eko bx7 fretless ... even if it is no longer original. many pieces replaced. one of the most beautiful form factors of the 80s:)

You are right - it is a remarkable peice of ergonomics. The balance is perfect and access to all areas of the fingerboard is totally unimpeded thanks to the deep lower cutaway and the slim heel. As for the original parts - they are in a box at my father's house (I hope!). DiMarzio pickups, plastic 'speed' knobs with brass pointer rings, big brass tuning machines, etc...
 
Whenever visual cues (lines or dots) are needed for intonation or orientation on the fingerboard, then they better be placed somewhere where the player can see them in normal playing posture.

If there are located on the front of the fingerboard, the player cannot see them without bending forward akwardly, or worse, without tilting the front of the bass upward, which puts a lot of stress on the left hand.

It seems much more appropriate to have visual cues on the top side of the fingerboard, where the player can see them anytime.
 
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