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I need more "big"

#41
as far as Sunn amps go, it's been said before, but...Fender Bassman 300 Pro.

this is a monster amp that is exactly like the legendary Sunn 300T,
and is still marketed as a Sunn outside the US.

for the money there's nothing like it...especially with a warranty.
kicks a CL in the ass every time, imo.

and yes, there are tons of radd bass tube amps out there right now,
but I still need MORE.
 
#42
dokazaado said:
as far as Sunn amps go, it's been said before, but...Fender Bassman 300 Pro.

this is a monster amp that is exactly like the legendary Sunn 300T,
and is still marketed as a Sunn outside the US.

for the money there's nothing like it...especially with a warranty.
kicks a CL in the ass every time, imo.

and yes, there are tons of radd bass tube amps out there right now,
but I still need MORE.
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goddamn it. i want to try either, but it's nigh impossible to find them in shops or used, even in the bay area, home of much volume. I'm not too impressed with my SVT-CL even after a full retube. how would you compare the tonal/volume differences?

as far as the rep of Sunn amps,they're simply LOUD and the aesthetic is killer & menacing, and they carry a rich history.
 
#43
Bassman 300 Pro aka Sunn 300T has an identical tube array as the CL, I believe-
some variety of 12ax7 in the preamp section and 6 6550s in the power amp section.

Tonally, I hear more low-end in the 300 with a leaner low mid section.
The big advantage the 300 has for me is the split band compression
and the 2 blendable channels.
The tonal possibility with this thing blending the 2 channels is pretty huge,
all in the spectrum of radd overdriven rock tones.
still made in America, too.

I'm not sure why they are so hard to find.
I'm guessing because Fender really doesn't have a cab that can handle it properly?
Bummer that the price just jumped up so much, too.

Pretty happy with it - but I'm still psyched to get my Electric Amp in!
With any luck it will be here within a few months.

I'm thinking Bassman into an 8x10 handling the low end
and the Electric into a 4 or 6x12 for mids/highs should get my pretty close
to the tone for which I'm looking.
 
#45
dokazaado said:
Bassman 300 Pro aka Sunn 300T has an identical tube array as the CL, I believe-
some variety of 12ax7 in the preamp section and 6 6550s in the power amp section.

Tonally, I hear more low-end in the 300 with a leaner low mid section.
The big advantage the 300 has for me is the split band compression
and the 2 blendable channels.
The tonal possibility with this thing blending the 2 channels is pretty huge,
all in the spectrum of radd overdriven rock tones.
still made in America, too.

I'm not sure why they are so hard to find.
I'm guessing because Fender really doesn't have a cab that can handle it properly?
Bummer that the price just jumped up so much, too.

Pretty happy with it - but I'm still psyched to get my Electric Amp in!
With any luck it will be here within a few months.

I'm thinking Bassman into an 8x10 handling the low end
and the Electric into a 4 or 6x12 for mids/highs should get my pretty close
to the tone for which I'm looking.
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thanks for clearing that up! ideally i'd like cleaner mid range out of the SVT-CL. it seems to get muddy pretty quickly in that area even after a fresh retube.

have mercy that future rig setup will give birth. GIVE BIRTH. should be Sunn's official mission statement.
 
#46
HogieWan said:
the pocket pod just has guitar amp models, the x3 has the bass amps and you can run two rigs on each patch, so you could have a bowel-shaking bass rig along side a fuzzy guitar amp or a sunn rig to fill in the sonic space.

Check your PMs
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+1, Pod X3 series set up right = so much doom that you'll think you're on the verge of death by intenstinal visceration. :bassist:
 
#48
Nyarlathotep said:
Personally I thought that Line 6 really dropped the ball on the bass side. It all sounded the same for the most part, especially direct with the cab/mic emulation

IMO/E/YMMV/etc....
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I don't think they dropped the ball one bit. It takes much more than spending a few hours with it cumulatively to unlock all its potential before selling it or returning it. I'm particularly strong in my opinion favoring the X3 because I gig with because one of the bands I gig with (Resurrection Larry) is for profit, and I've gotten nothing but compliments on my tone. I'm rarely this defensive though. :o
 
#50
Thunderscreech said:
Of course, I could just use what I have until I discover I need something better....:hmm:

A friend set me straight on that point.
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That is good advise and why I think you would have fun trying to come up with new ways of hooking up the gear you have in new ways, you have a lot of dirt going on there and you could layer it three times in parallel before it even gets to your amp.
 
#51
What bass are you playing? If you aren't already playing a 5+ string bass, I would suggest getting one have more of a range. Ideally a 6 would be best. Low B plus a high C. Other than that, if you want a "bigger" sound, try cutting out a little distortion and boosting the bass on your EQ.
 
#52
Neil_G said:
What bass are you playing? If you aren't already playing a 5+ string bass, I would suggest getting one have more of a range. Ideally a 6 would be best. Low B plus a high C. Other than that, if you want a "bigger" sound, try cutting out a little distortion and boosting the bass on your EQ.
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I hardly use the G on my 5er. I've been tempted to go to F#BEAD just because I don't use the G.

I'll have to try your suggestion when I get home today.
 
#60
Actually, I think if you are looking for an overall bigger sound, you need to figure out how to get a huge CLEAN sound first. A weak wimpy clean sound put through through tons of distortion, effects, and big amps is just going to sound like loud, fuzzed-out, effected, weak, wimpy tone. Some sort of pre-amp might be a good idea. Or even just an EQ pedal placed at the beginning of the signal chain. Of course, good pickups, beefier strings, and good right hand technique go a long way too.

I use my bass amp to take care of the low end (i cut the highs on the amp), and then I have a cable going from the tuner out of the bass amp into the input of a guitar combo (doesn't need to be big, 30 watts would be fine, as long as it can get a nice, clear, not-too-heavy, tube overdrive), I have the lows cut on the guitar combo so only the rich overtones are going through (the lows would just muddy it up). Doing this gets me much more of a big sound than just relying on an OD pedal through my bass amp alone.

Big doesn't = loud, and big doesn't = more distorted. Big = strong, rich, and punchy, no matter how loud or distorted it is. Start with a good, strong, fairly-clean tone, and then just add enough overdrive or distortion until it sounds right texturally in the context of the whole mix, making sure the distortion doesn't subtract from the bigness of the sound (a lot of distortions actually weaken the tone, they only superficially sound "heavier" because of the added noise and crunch). Then work on making it louder while maintaining the same balance and texture (usually turning the volume up changes those things).
 

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