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I STILL fail at getting volume!!!!
- Thread starter Destructobot
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I have read most of this thread. Your rig is fine. Now hear this:
Your iron-headed guitar player needs to play through a rig that suits the space and the purpose of being there. You are wasting your time and your (up until recently) valuable ears trying to keep up with his massively stupid volume.
Do stop trying to keep up with his massively stupid volume.
Get an 8x10 if you think you need to- for gigs in reasonably sized rooms- and do not bring it to your rehearsal space. That 212 is plenty for your purposes in that basement.
Make your guitar player use fewer speakers in that small space or you should quit the band. For Pete's sake, you are going to go deaf and then you won't be able to play music anymore. It will be no one's fault but your own. Right?
Your iron-headed guitar player needs to play through a rig that suits the space and the purpose of being there. You are wasting your time and your (up until recently) valuable ears trying to keep up with his massively stupid volume.
Do stop trying to keep up with his massively stupid volume.
Get an 8x10 if you think you need to- for gigs in reasonably sized rooms- and do not bring it to your rehearsal space. That 212 is plenty for your purposes in that basement.
Make your guitar player use fewer speakers in that small space or you should quit the band. For Pete's sake, you are going to go deaf and then you won't be able to play music anymore. It will be no one's fault but your own. Right?
I just kinda skimmed through this thread but here is what happened to me with Avatar cabs: First off I've had a few of them and they are great. I recently had an SB112 paired with an Avatar 210. I had a new Carvin BX500 running the cabs. After about 20 seconds of playing, especially aggressive playing, the amp would go into protect mode and shut down. It did this over and over, driving me nuts.
I didn't think it was the cabs. The 112 was new. Anyway, long story even longer, the brand new Avatar 112 had a loose wire and vibration was making the bare wire make contact with the metal frame of the speaker. That's all it was. Open them up and have a look, you never know...
Oh and by the way, the volume was weak as well. I had another incident with an Avatar where they had to send me a new crossover. Otherwise they make great cabs!
I didn't think it was the cabs. The 112 was new. Anyway, long story even longer, the brand new Avatar 112 had a loose wire and vibration was making the bare wire make contact with the metal frame of the speaker. That's all it was. Open them up and have a look, you never know...
Oh and by the way, the volume was weak as well. I had another incident with an Avatar where they had to send me a new crossover. Otherwise they make great cabs!
I own an Avatar 210/212 stack, both 8 ohms.
When fed about 60% of a potential 300W S/S signal, full-range from my iPod (Blackfoot; Train, Train), it visibly moves my shirt and the hair on my arms while I stand 3 feet in front of the stack.
It's painful. My son says he can feel it in the ground 10 feet from the front porch. I turned it down after about 45 seconds.
I'm willing to bet the OP says, "what ???" a lot.
When fed about 60% of a potential 300W S/S signal, full-range from my iPod (Blackfoot; Train, Train), it visibly moves my shirt and the hair on my arms while I stand 3 feet in front of the stack.
It's painful. My son says he can feel it in the ground 10 feet from the front porch. I turned it down after about 45 seconds.
I'm willing to bet the OP says, "what ???" a lot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the two cabs you have can only handle 500 watts each. Unless the ohms you have it running on are making your 1600 watt amp run at less than 1000 watts, you might have killed your speakers.
So, a bass player is pushing a ton of sub low out of a 2x12 +2x10...
And he's getting crushed by a 100w Marshall with 2 4x12 cabs???
I would have never guessed that
2x12 + 2x10 bass against 2 4x12 guitar will get that result every time.
I don't care who makes the bass cab or if the amp has more watts than a lightning bolt.
That kind of guitar rig in a standard room can get so loud it's hard to breath.
Exactly - I'd also bet that they're already WAY too loud for any realistic working band situation, but just don't know any better...
- georgestrings
Yup - in a functioning band, the drummer sets the stage volume, not the guitard - and even the drummer needs to be aware that they can play too loud for practical purposes...
- georgestrings
Yup. I'd eyeball that damn thing, ask the guitarist if he's serious...
Silly guitarists.
Well, my 300W 2x10 markbass combo could totally Destroy in terms of volume my friend 100W Madison + 4x12 stack (he was at full or near full and I was at 50%)....
A buddy of mine spent a **** ton on an Acme 4x10 cab and it needed like 1500w just to louder than my speaking voice.
That head will sound like a monster through any mesa, peavey, ampeg, eden, or whatever cab.
A lot of dudes on here play in cover bands with combo amps in bars where they just run a di anyway. Get a big cab if you want big volume.
One of the loudest meanest rigs I ever heard blew my mind when I saw what it was. The old bass player in a band from long island called Stray From the Path had a b2r and an 810. Yamaha bass and a odb3. And it was brutal.
I actually went and got a b2r because of that. Put a sansamp on my sterling and it sounded beefy. I was asked to turn down. I believe that head tops out at 350w.
So, get an 810 or a couple sealed 410s
Goodluck.
That head will sound like a monster through any mesa, peavey, ampeg, eden, or whatever cab.
A lot of dudes on here play in cover bands with combo amps in bars where they just run a di anyway. Get a big cab if you want big volume.
One of the loudest meanest rigs I ever heard blew my mind when I saw what it was. The old bass player in a band from long island called Stray From the Path had a b2r and an 810. Yamaha bass and a odb3. And it was brutal.
I actually went and got a b2r because of that. Put a sansamp on my sterling and it sounded beefy. I was asked to turn down. I believe that head tops out at 350w.
So, get an 810 or a couple sealed 410s
Goodluck.
I don't know anything about Madison but I know Mashall and I know Markbass.
A 100w Marshall with a 4x12 cab will chew that 210 into sawdust. Sorry.
Ok obviously this thread has been debated to no end, but I'm gonna drop my 2cents.
Despite the fact that i gig with an 8x10 I'm gonna side with the club that getting an 8x10 isn't the real solution to your problem, most 4x10's are PLENTY loud to gig just about anywhere. The reason i gig with an 810 is because its all i got, which makes a good excuse for my band members to put up with helping me lug it to gigs
Your problem is not wattage, that b1500 is like 500 or so watts right? Plenty.
You're either out of Phase or your playing in a room that just doesn't demonstrate your rigs full acoustic capability.
Despite the fact that i gig with an 8x10 I'm gonna side with the club that getting an 8x10 isn't the real solution to your problem, most 4x10's are PLENTY loud to gig just about anywhere. The reason i gig with an 810 is because its all i got, which makes a good excuse for my band members to put up with helping me lug it to gigs
Your problem is not wattage, that b1500 is like 500 or so watts right? Plenty.
You're either out of Phase or your playing in a room that just doesn't demonstrate your rigs full acoustic capability.
8x12, 100W Plexi...even on 3, in a residential basement? it's forest for the trees time with this thread. No way. That's Motorhead loud.
Ok obviously this thread has been debated to no end, but I'm gonna drop my 2cents.
Despite the fact that i gig with an 8x10 I'm gonna side with the club that getting an 8x10 isn't the real solution to your problem, most 4x10's are PLENTY loud to gig just about anywhere. The reason i gig with an 810 is because its all i got, which makes a good excuse for my band members to put up with helping me lug it to gigs
Your problem is not wattage, that b1500 is like 500 or so watts right? Plenty.
You're either out of Phase or your playing in a room that just doesn't demonstrate your rigs full acoustic capability.
The B1500 is 1250 watts @ 4 ohms, and 1900 watts @ 2 ohms
More than plenty
I'm kinda glad my guitarist isn't a gear person. I picked out the 50w Marshall head he bought, after he expressed interest in a few 100w Super Leads to me on ebay. The 50w at like a 3 or 4 on the master through 4-12s is rediculous. He has 8-12s sitting in my basement and I insist that the others are for show.
That being said, with dampening materials and proper levels, we rock in my converted practice studio. The drummer plays loud as he wants and we go with that. Just gotta stop by 10pm on the school days because of the city noise ordinance. =/
That being said, with dampening materials and proper levels, we rock in my converted practice studio. The drummer plays loud as he wants and we go with that. Just gotta stop by 10pm on the school days because of the city noise ordinance. =/
I remember once as a lad of 16-17, my first experience playing through an SVT and 8x10 (several decades ago, geezer that I am). In a smallish suburban basement family room, etc. I remember that I couldn't hear myself! I had that thing pretty damn cranked too. Of course, I couldn't hear the kick drum, or the singer, or the cop standing in the doorway yelling at us to stop either.
Anyhow, all that aside, just watch your ears man, it really IS a big deal . . .
Anyhow, all that aside, just watch your ears man, it really IS a big deal . . .
My guitarists Fender Twin 2x12" on the 25w setting KILLS my ears at anything over 4 on the vol. Even at gigs it's rarely on over 3 or 4. & thats thru a 2x12" !!!!!! I use my 6x10" if I wanna be LOUDER!!
