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I'm getting too old for rock concerts

I'm there too! Last few concerts we went to was a complete hassle and if it wasn't for my wife REALLY wanting to go, I would likely never pay to see a concert again. The hassle from the asshats is really the most annoying and confusing part about going to a concert. I saw Zac Brown Band a few months ago at DTE (a.k.a. Pine Knob) in Metro Detroit and had really good seats. Got them on StubHub 15 min before the concert and got them for less than 1/2 face value. . . . anyway, I still paid a couple of hundred dollars for the tickets, and presumably the people around me paid the same or more. So, while the concert is going on, some jackhole behind us spends almost the entire concert shouting in conversation with the women with him. I don't think he ever stopped yapping to actually pay attention to concert he likely paid a lot of money for. In front of us was a very drunk couple of who went between dancing, making out or fighting. . . . loudly.

Which brings me to the question, WHY would people spend hundreds of dollars on tickets and very expensive drinks to stand at a concert, disrupt everyone around them and NOT watch the concert itself?
 
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You were sitting on the bar counter?:D

That looks like a very cool venue.
Yeah, actually I was. Istood in front of the PA for the first set, the opener and it was just too loud for these old ears. The sound was good, just loud. So i went to the back of the room and grabbed a stool. The three of us hung out there and had a grand time. It was still loud, but boy was it good. It is a cool venue, kind of reminded me of all the rock clubs in El Lay in the 70's and 80's. You know, lots of graffiti and posters and stickers on the walls and in the restrooms. Lots of different kinds of people and ages- which is very cool. And lots of fun. I'd love to play there. Perhaps someday...
 
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There is isn't any artist out there that I will pay the ridiculously inflated ticket price through these so called "brokers" Arena rock is a lost cause in my opinion, as much as I would like to see Paul McCartney before he calls it a career I just cant get past $ 200-$300, or more ticket prices. Its just sad to see how its turned into a massive money grab, not that it hasn't been all these years its just done on a much more massive scale these days.

Thankfully there are other types of events where you can still see and hear good music for a much more reasonable price or in some cases free.
 
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There is isn't any artist out there that I will pay the ridiculously inflated ticket price through these so called "brokers" Arena rock is a lost cause in my opinion, as much as I would like to see Paul McCartney before he calls it a career I just cant get past $ 200-$300, or more ticket prices. Its just sad to see how its turned into a massive money grab, not that it hasn't been all these years its just done on a much more massive scale these days.
I have the feeling that the bad actors in the audience feel entitled to act badly because of the prices they pay for their tickets.
 
Yeah, well I totally agree with you! At age 66, I've about had it too.

The damn music is so loud that I have to wear ear plugs and when they are crammed into my ears, then I can't enjoy the true sound of the music. Parking is a pain and especially for seeing bands at inner city clubs where I have to park a mile and a half away.

Then with the inner city club scene, I'm afraid of getting my throat slit while I'm walking down dark streets at 1 AM in the morning looking for my car that I forgot where I parked.

And seeing what has happened at that club in Paris France with the Eagles of Death Metal and in Manchester, England with the teeny bopper young girl act............I have a constant concern with some idiot yanking out a handgun and blasting away.

Ticket prices are unreal. Even a 3rd rate band can cost $30 a ticket let alone a top rate act with $200 and up. Some arenas are so big and the band is so far away, I'm watching the music on a huge flat screen!!!!!!!! Geeezssss! Ultimate insult!

Yeah, I'm pretty much done too.

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LOL...and I'm only 47. Last night, I took my family to see U2 in Detroit. Besides the usual ridiculously inflated ticket prices (having to buy on StubHub because nothing good is ever available on Ticketmaster), concert traffic, jacked up parking prices, long security lines, lousy concert sound, etc. -- I was actually having a great time. Until the drunk broad next to me punched me in the face, that is.

About 2/3 of the way through the show, the girls next to me got up from their seats. Immediately, a drunk middle-aged couple poured into the seats. Rude, obnoxious, annoying. This broad's style of dancing was to flail her arms like she was drowning. Lovely, I'm glad I paid hundreds for these seats. A couple songs later, she pulls out her cigarettes and starts to light up. I'm not having it. I tap her on the shoulder and said "that's not happening here...take it outside." She told me to f*off and lit up anyway. 49,999 other people in the stadium got the memo that Ford Field is a no-smoking venue, just like every other stadium in the USA. Not her, she's special. I turned around and got the attention of the usher, who immediately realized what was going on. Security arrived a couple minutes later and removed them from the seats. Zero tolerance, apparently. On the way out, the drunk chick told me to f*off again and back-handed me across the face. I guess I deserved it. Problem solved.

Maybe I'm a little too uptight? Probably because I seem to run into these idiots at every show I go to. Last year, we went to see the sold-out Steely Dan at the Hollywood Bowl. We got to our seats to find this meathead and his drunk friends in our seats. He wasn't about to move, and caused a huge scene before the ushers sorted everything out...disrupting the show for a good 15 minutes. Before he left, he got in my face like a drill sergeant and called me every name in the book in front of my 15 yr old daughter. Am I wrong for just wanting to sit in the seats I paid for? There were no other open seats...it was sold out.

Primus show a few months ago. We are sitting in the balcony with the 500 or so other people...all sitting...every last one...except for the guy right in front of me. I get it, it's a rock concert. People get excited and want to stand. I sat patiently staring at this guys back for a couple songs until I got tired of the people behind me asking to get the guy to sit down. When I tapped him on the shoulder, he told me to f*off and continued to stand. All by himself. Despite the fact that there was an acre of space to stand on the floor and mezzanine. An usher arrived eventually and moved the guy back to the cheap seat he actually paid for.

It's just getting to the point that it's just not worth the hassle and aggravation. Oh, and get off my lawn!


I know what you mean. It seems that most of the concerts have several idiots who think they are entitled to stand and dance all night blocking the view of everybody behind them, smoke, talk loudly, or do the things you mentioned. Inflated ticket and parking prices and all the hassle takes all the fun out of a concert. I did go to a Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Cheap Trick, & Heart concert at the amphitheater near Pittsburgh last year and I was surprised that the parking was free.

To coin your phrase - "I was actually having a great time. Until the drunk broad next to me punched me in the face, that is."

You should start a thread with the title. "I was actually having a great time. Until ................." I'm sure we all have something to add to that statement as well.
 
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<<Rant warning>>...Oh, and get off my lawn!

I'm 52 and I arrived at the same point as you at about 35. I still go to see a lot of shows, but I go to smaller venues. The standing all night thing is hell on my bum knee, but for some reason, with less popular bands, I seem to have less issue with idiots and ********.

That's why, this summer, I skipped going to see Metallica at The Rose Bowl, Iron Maiden at the 65k capacity San Manuel Center and Tool at that same venue. Too much hassle and expense for too little return on investment. Plus, having seen those bands before, I think I'm good.

OTOH, I saw great shows in the past year from Blue Oyster Cult in a seated, dinner-theater style concert venue (capacity 1300), Animals as Leaders, Intervals and Plini at Vinyl at The Hard Rock in Vegas (capacity 650), TesseracT and Gojira at The Wiltern (capacity 1850) and separate shows by Leprous and Haken at the now-defunct Complex in Glendale (capacity under 200).

So, for me, big concerts are a thing of the past. Well, unless Rush decide to tour again, which ain't bloody likely.
 
We saw Yes last weekend. It was way too loud, and the sound was really muddy. I'm thinking that'll be my last concert.

And for my next band, I think I'll find a couple of acoustic guitarists, and I'll play acoustic bass...

Yes, I've turned into my mother. Now get off my lawn!

That's gotta be so disappointing. That's my main fear of going to a concert: crappy sound. The other one is not even being able to see the band because of people getting in the way. I'll still go to a concert occasionally...for now.
 
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LOL...and I'm only 47. Last night, I took my family to see U2 in Detroit. Besides the usual ridiculously inflated ticket prices (having to buy on StubHub because nothing good is ever available on Ticketmaster), concert traffic, jacked up parking prices, long security lines, lousy concert sound, etc. -- I was actually having a great time. Until the drunk broad next to me punched me in the face, that is.

About 2/3 of the way through the show, the girls next to me got up from their seats. Immediately, a drunk middle-aged couple poured into the seats. Rude, obnoxious, annoying. This broad's style of dancing was to flail her arms like she was drowning. Lovely, I'm glad I paid hundreds for these seats. A couple songs later, she pulls out her cigarettes and starts to light up. I'm not having it. I tap her on the shoulder and said "that's not happening here...take it outside." She told me to f*off and lit up anyway. 49,999 other people in the stadium got the memo that Ford Field is a no-smoking venue, just like every other stadium in the USA. Not her, she's special. I turned around and got the attention of the usher, who immediately realized what was going on. Security arrived a couple minutes later and removed them from the seats. Zero tolerance, apparently. On the way out, the drunk chick told me to f*off again and back-handed me across the face. I guess I deserved it. Problem solved.

Maybe I'm a little too uptight? Probably because I seem to run into these idiots at every show I go to. Last year, we went to see the sold-out Steely Dan at the Hollywood Bowl. We got to our seats to find this meathead and his drunk friends in our seats. He wasn't about to move, and caused a huge scene before the ushers sorted everything out...disrupting the show for a good 15 minutes. Before he left, he got in my face like a drill sergeant and called me every name in the book in front of my 15 yr old daughter. Am I wrong for just wanting to sit in the seats I paid for? There were no other open seats...it was sold out.

Primus show a few months ago. We are sitting in the balcony with the 500 or so other people...all sitting...every last one...except for the guy right in front of me. I get it, it's a rock concert. People get excited and want to stand. I sat patiently staring at this guys back for a couple songs until I got tired of the people behind me asking to get the guy to sit down. When I tapped him on the shoulder, he told me to f*off and continued to stand. All by himself. Despite the fact that there was an acre of space to stand on the floor and mezzanine. An usher arrived eventually and moved the guy back to the cheap seat he actually paid for.

It's just getting to the point that it's just not worth the hassle and aggravation. Oh, and get off my lawn!
I just do concerts on DVD or BlueRay now. I have the U2 Rosebowl concert. It's quite incredible. On a large 4k TV with my hi-fi system (I'm a vintage hi-fi junkie), it is spectacular. No parking issues. No issues with other people. No ludicrously expensive tickets, and a front row seat. Can't beat it.

And I live on a farm in the middle of Kentucky.
 
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One of my problems is that I'm no longer enamored by "celebrity". The only person I ever got to spend time with that I was very excited to meet was Sarah Palin. The rest are just regular people and, frankly, so is she.

It means I have to really like the music to see the band. I almost forked over $70 to see Brit Floyd in Louisville a few months ago. Heck, my office parking garage is only a couple of blocks away so even parking was a non issue and it was in a beautiful theater.

But at the end of the day it just doesn't matter that much. Their videos give me all I need.

My real problem is that I'm more of a doer than a watcher. I like to be IN a band, but lost interest in seeing bands decades ago. The only reason I like Brit Floyd, U2 or Pink Floyd concerts is the added light show. And I get that on the video.

I never go to see local bands. They are not worth my time. They are just not that good.
 
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And here I thought the 'special a-hole' seat was designated for in front of me at concerts. I agree with you. My daughter and I attend concerts pretty frequently. Some are OK but 50% of the time I get to sit behind, or next to, some privileged jackass.
 
I also love going to Ram's Head in Annapolis MD. If you get the VIP tickets, you get 15% off dinner, comped parking and early seating...and not a bad seat in the house. I've never paid more than $60 per ticket and have seen: Victor Wooten, Los Lonely Boys, Here Come The Mummies and Edgar Winter. I will ALWAYS try to get a seat at that venue!
 
OP- you're not alone.

Still don't let it sour you on live music.

What I hope for is an "audience" not a "crowd", and a high Audience to Crowd Ratio (a:c). The more I like the artist, the lower ratio I'll put up with.

A "crowd" is there because they've heard of a band or have one friend who dragged them and/or his other buddies to a band they've never heard before. They may be there looking for a night out to drink and wind up at a concert when they really want to be at a bar. Perhaps they wants to sing along with the one or two popular songs they've heard (usually getting the lyrics wrong) forcing themselves into a particular scene they don't even really want to be part of themselves.

An "audience" actually wants to LISTEN to the music and ENJOY the show. Drinking/chatting/carousing may be part of the experience, but an audience is psyched that there are others at the show who have discovered the same band and the band is their primary reason for leaving the house that evening. They are excited and energetic, and as fans of the artist(s) themselves they want others to enjoy it as much as they do. An audience will enjoy have a few drinks as well, but keeps it to a healthy buzz that is usually good for the energy of the show.

The bigger the band, the larger the venue, the lower the A:C ratio gets. My limit is around 10:1. If 10% of the people are part of the "Crowd" that's enough to ruin a show for me. I also find mid-week shows are better than weekend shows for the ratio.

There are a FEW major bands I'd risk putting up with a low A:C ratio for. If the Police reunited again. Maybe Radiohead. I went to Nine Inch Nails (but from a buddy of mine's box seats which isolated us from the "crowd" and was great but kind of weird for a band like NIN, too). Willie Nelson (at Willie's concerts, the crowd can be as much part of the show as Willie is and I kind of make peace with that going in).

Otherwise, there's a sweet spot for high A:C ratios in bands that have a following and are maybe just getting traction, but aren't totally on the radar and play at venues smaller than House of Blues. In Orlando, we have a venue called the Plaza Live that gets some up and coming acts and is usually a good place to see a show. I've seen John Butler Trio and Citizen Cope there- both had a good a:c ratios of maybe 30:1. Wilco usually is up there around 20:1. I haven't been to their shows, but would imagine bands like Sylvan Esso, Courtney Barnett, Car Seat Headrest, St. Vincent (I have been to a St. Vincent show and she was great) might be examples of bands in this strata.

In conclusion... ummm jeez. Did I overthink that or what? I am really procrastinating at work today.
 
A photo from the U2 show...
• Ticket: $300
• Traffic jam: 1 hour
• Parking: $20
• Walk to stadium: 1/2 mile
• Wait in security line (everyone smoking): 20 minutes
• Concert T-Shirt: $40
• Two beers: $18
• Watching the show on a 4" x 2.5" screen: PRICELESS

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I'm 63 and have not had television since 1997. It means I really see no ads and have not for a long time. A funny thing happened. I found that a lot of the stuff that I really liked to do was stuff I really did not like to do all that much, but an apetite for the stuff had been nurtured in me.

Once I left that world, my life fell into "normalcy". Well, part of it is also that as you get older and have a bit of a "been there, done that" mentality and you're less impressed with the latest "shiny thing", life becomes both simpler and cheaper. Your needs and wants change dramatically.

Here is how bad it is: My wife and I got free tickets to a Seattle Sonics game about a decade or so ago (while they were still in Seattle). Our seats were at center court, three or four rows up from the court. We left at the end of the first quarter. And we only stayed that long because we felt like, gosh, since everybody would kill for the seats we had, it must have been something special. But it was just boring. And all we could think about was the crowd, the price of a beer, the hassle of getting in and out, so we just went for a walk in lower Queen Anne and stopped off at a nice Thai place for a meal - and went home for some
"real" fun.

Concerts are just not fun to us. Heck, a LOT of stuff isn't. It's why we moved from Seattle to a nice quiet farm where you can run around naked and nobody would be the wiser.