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#122
MMMMmmmmmm.....Big Banjo.
 

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#123
seamonkey said:
The charts are fabulous, I think it's great.

My next two issues on the site:

"Our use of patented XBL™ technology (US Patent 7,039,213 and others pending)"

It's not ISI's patent. Other companies can use drivers with XBL or XBL^2 technology. Or maybe ISI is the only company licensed to use this patented technology in Bass cabinets?
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Dan Wiggins is a very well known transducer engineer who's a co-inventor of the XBL driver.
 
#129
seanm said:
Is this really that wrong given that most of the perceived volume comes from the mids?
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It certainly is when they give the impression that those figures apply to the low end, where most of the amp power and driver excursion demands lie. And that's why AES/IEC standards that some companies ignore specifically don't allow that practice.
 
#132
hifibass said:
Guys, this all started with me, so may I please chime in? I am not in any way, shape or form affiliated with this ISI company...... I never even heard of them until recently too, just like you. I used to be a skeptic of everything, and "my everything" goes back to my first pro gig in 1969, were you born then? If not you really missed a cool time!!

I'm not an audiologist, audio engineer, recording engineer, sound-man, I'm just an old bassplayer who first performed live in 1968...... and sounded good. I have a decent feel for what sounds good, based on 40+ years of chasing that sound. No, I will NEVER hear whats in my head, I know that!

The "engineering sonic science" may not be what we are used to with this line. In fact, IT MAY BE CRAP? I don't know. Here are a few examples of "crap designs" of my time in the pit:

The Ampeg 8X10 Bass Cabinet
Every Fender Bass Amp Offering, (I LOVE the blackface Showman)
The Acoustic 360/361
The Guild/Hartke Aluminum 2X10 &4X10 Cabs
The Sunn 2000S Series
My Musicman 65/2X115 Stack, owned since 1975.
The Euphonic Audio Cabs, still what most measure by,the VL-208 and I use two.
Neo Speakers.

My point is (finally), let's give these folks the opportunity to fail or succeed sonically before we condemn them. In my 40+ years of playing bass (and getting paid for it!) I've learned that EVERYTHING is up to the listener. Respects to all, KWS
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Crap Designs?

The Ampeg 8X10 Bass Cabinet
Every Fender Bass Amp Offering

you sure you have been playing "live" since 1968?

or is that Jive?
 
#135
BTW, for anyone that is curious--and hasn't made up their minds on a pre-conceived notion of what's good before they've heard it--these things actually sound amazing. Played a US Lakland 55-63 through an Aguilar TH500 into a stack of the "Basster" and "Bass-O-Matic" cabs at The Bass Place and was blown away. The low end response was actually incredible for the size of the cabs and they were extremely punchy and musical. In reality I'd say the "Basster" sounds like a 210 rather than a 110 and the "Bass-O-Matic" sounds like a 212. Why is it that other companies with more recognizable names (Euphonic Audio, Eden, Genz-Benz, etc.) can produce small cabs like these and no one thinks twice about buying them?

I think if some more people were willing to actually try new things before forming an opinion about them, then there might be a lot more interesting options in the marketplace. Just because a company is new and doesn't have the "rep" doesn't mean their products suck or they're snake-oil salesmen.
 
#136
jtl1380 said:
BTW, for anyone that is curious--and hasn't made up their minds on a pre-conceived notion of what's good before they've heard it--these things actually sound amazing. Played a US Lakland 55-63 through an Aguilar TH500 into a stack of the "Basster" and "Bass-O-Matic" cabs at The Bass Place and was blown away. The low end response was actually incredible for the size of the cabs and they were extremely punchy and musical. In reality I'd say the "Basster" sounds like a 210 rather than a 110 and the "Bass-O-Matic" sounds like a 212. Why is it that other companies with more recognizable names (Euphonic Audio, Eden, Genz-Benz, etc.) can produce small cabs like these and no one thinks twice about buying them?

I think if some more people were willing to actually try new things before forming an opinion about them, then there might be a lot more interesting options in the marketplace. Just because a company is new and doesn't have the "rep" doesn't mean their products suck or they're snake-oil salesmen.
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There's a real need for a few of these folks to think they can hear anything that'll come down the pipe based on what they think they know. This thread is one more example of just how wrong they can get it.

I tried the bigger ISI cab at Jivesound shortly before this thread was started. What I heard in no way resembled what some of these guys "knew" they would. I've played through it several times at his shop since with lots of basses, mainly with a Genz Benz Streamliner 900 which had no problem driving it and wasn't being pushed hard. It's an amp many folks haven't had problems acquiring so that shouldn't be seen as a drawback IMO.
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#137
Well, since I was one of those vocal ones that didn't want to damn ISI before anyone actually heard one, I finally broke down and bought a Bassster 1X10. I bought it cheap on eBay and wanted to share my thoughts.

I'm not a techie, I can't read a wave chart or understand the math and physics involved in Acoustic Engineering, I'm just an old bass player with a set of fairly functional ears.

I decided to A/B the Bassster against my EA VL-110 & CxL-110 cabs using an AMP SL-1 preamp and my Stewart 2.1 power amp. Set up as dual-monaural I can flip back and forth between both cabs using the same settings.

The Bassster is LOUD for it's size and projects well. Lot's of decent low end but a little too much on the high end for my tastes. The 3-way, transmission line VL beat it in every way. With the compression driver turned up all the way on the CxL the Bassster had similar low end and seems a bit brighter up high. I never run my CxL's full tilt on the driver, never more than 50%.

The Bassster is lightest, 22# vs. 29# vs. 37#(VL) handles the power well and is as convenient as heck. My only gripe, I want a control on the compression driver or at very least an On/Off switch.... there isn't any. I did on the other hand, by trimming the treble on the preamp, find a VERY pleasing tone.

I like it very much, not enough to dump my 'ol EA gear, but if they give us some control over the horn it would be a giant killer. Just IMO, Ken
 

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