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You nailed it. It sounds like protective self-rationalization for me to say this, but I am now genuinely happy that I'm not like them, even with all their money. I met massively wealthy people who will survive any economic apocalypse because instead of $800 million they'll have $300 million.It must be a strange feeling to experience such a disconnect with a group of people, to be amused by and repulsed by them at the same time. And uplifting to know that you'll never be like them. "Fitting in" isn't always a good thing, and I think that on some level, we all know this.
You nailed it. It sounds like protective self-rationalization for me to say this, but I am now genuinely happy that I'm not like them, even with all their money. I met massively wealthy people who will survive any economic apocalypse because instead of $800 million they'll have $300 million.
My brother was friends with a woman whose father was a huge entertainment lawyer. He represented actors and musicians. We got invited to Thanksgiving dinner at their house in Beverly Hills, and we got lost. (We're a family with a genetic predisposition to a poor sense of direction.) When we finally got there, the meal was almost over. My brother's friend opened the door of the mall-sized mansion and we went into this gloomy dining room with a chandelier hanging down over the table. We were introduced to about a dozen guests, all decked out in evening gowns, jewelry, and dinner jackets. The men were all fat, and the women were all skeletal.
My brother's friend took us into the kitchen, where we were served our dinner on this giant wooden chopping block. Since we were late, we weren't allowed to join the other guests. We were trying not to laugh because it was so moronic, being forced to eat in the kitchen like the maids.
The lawyer came in and gave us this ha-cha-cha-cha-cha, Vaudevillian speech about being thankful for friends, family, all the important things. That family was a catastrophe, and all those friends in the dining room were hogs and mummies. He was paying lip service to values that he didn't actually believe in. It was just this stupid show for our benefit. I wanted to ask him, "Who do you think you're kidding? The only thing you're thankful for is money, fame, and power." But we toasted him back, and then he spun like Fred Astaire, this totally bizarre, abnormal dancer's pirouette, and marched out.
Since my brother's friend was visiting with the hogs and mummies in the dining room, my brother and I finished our maids' meal and left. The whole night was a surreal waste of time.
These days, if they told me I had to go eat in the kitchen like the hired help, I'd say, "You know what? Thanks anyway. G'night!" But it took a lot of failure and losses for me to get to this point.
You're welcome. I enjoy it. It's nice to find like-minded people.I don't think it's protective self-rationalization, Tom. It might have been, if you had said it all those years ago. But to say it now is simply recognizing the fact that your sense of identity, your ethical framework...simply isn't as twisted as theirs was.
Your stories are marvelous for the notion that one person has had the opportunity to experience these vignettes; a daisy chain of unfortunate encounters with a myriad of characters, playing a vast array of roles: Some good, many villainous, most just plain sad.
You have to wonder: Exactly when did they lose their way?
These conversations are wonderful - thought provoking on many levels. Thank you for being here.![]()
Well, look: The current plan is to post here for a bit, where it'll stay. That way people can link to it and spread the word. Scott Thunes and Bryan Beller dropped in, after all, based on word of mouth.Tom, I'd like to sincerely request that you consider writing a book about your experiences in LA and the music/entertainment business. You could make it a memoir; that way you wouldn't have to use real names or even fact check. Kind of what Bruce Thomas did in his book "The Big Wheel". (From the book description on Amazon: "Thomas was bassist with Elvis Costello and The Attractions at the height of the band’s success with hits like "Oliver’s Army" and "Accidents Will Happen." Though names are never mentioned, The Big Wheel paints a vivid and hilarious picture of exactly what it is like touring the US and the rest of the world with Costello and Company, sharing your life 24 hours a day with a moody egotistical singer, a crazed drummer and a host of hangers-on."). Besides, not mentioning names will drive readers crazy trying to guess who they are.
Now I know what you are thinking; "A memoir? Nobody wants to read about my life. I'm a nobody." Well, it wouldn't really be about you would it? It would about LA and the Business. You are just the camera, capturing everything. Just like you offered to do for Scott- record his experiences.
I know that you have a bad taste in your mouth from that period of time. You also may believe that your stories are not all that interesting. You may even think that your writing style is nothing special. I'm here to disagree with you on all these points. Firstly, as you've already discovered, thanks to the passage of time (and other things) writing about the old days has actually become cathartic for you. Secondly, like Scott Thunes said, he doesn't think his life is interesting because it happened to him. He/you have already lived it. But we haven't and never will. This is our only chance to experience the things the two or you have. I think you can feel the hunger of the people who are following this thread. People from all over the world, by the way. Finally, you can see from the reaction here that people enjoy your writing style. You have a great descriptive style for both places and people. The details of the actor spitting out "t*ts" is priceless.
I know you have other projects that you are working on but this does not have to be an all-or-nothing deal. There is no reason you can't work on your fiction and non-fiction books at the same time. Some writers actually use this as a trick to keep the creative juices flowing; when they get stuck on one project they "take a break" and work on another for a while. Besides, between your unpublished interviews and the stories you've told here, I'd say you probably have written a third of it already. Cut and paste, my friend, it's the computer age. A little editing, a little polishing and I think you'd be surprised at how much you've accomplished with not too much effort.
Now, I know from my limited writing experience that you are not going to write anything you feel uncomfortable with. Writing takes too much energy to spend it on something that you don't enjoy. I just hope that you will take some time and consider this humble request. I think it is something that would benefit all of us.
On another note, I also understand your desire for a comment from Scott about your playing. I'll never forget a Shaolin monk telling me that the way I performed Shaolin kung fu was "not bad for an American". I never solicited his opinion and it made no difference in my future practice of the art but it's given me a quiet satisfaction all these years. I hope Scott will eventually do the same for you.
Arthritic_Tom said:You're welcome. I enjoy it. It's nice to find like-minded people.
I'm convinced that childhood is crucial. My bassist friend Roy took me to the house of a hugely successful TV writer, and as always with Roy, there was a dinner screwup: We arrived as they were eating theirs.
They let us in, and we lied and said we'd already eaten. They had two little girls--and I mean little, like five and seven--who had styled hair, pierced ears, and were wearing makeup. The writer almost immediately asked me how much I earned and volunteered his own salary. I told him I was a magazine writer, so I could buy maybe one of his suits per year, if I lived on Cup-a-Noodle. He literally had no idea how to respond, but I wanted to embarrass him for being such a classless t*rd.
One of the little girls interrupted to say, "Daddy, may I have some more prosciutto?" It took every shred of willpower to not scream laughter in all their faces.
This writer then--in front of his wife and two little girls--described in detail how to access a special Internet-within-an-Internet that caters to men who like their sexual partners very, very young. Like, say, in kindergarten.
"Not that I ever would, of course," he said primly.
As far as I'm concerned, those two little girls never had a chance. I'm sure they're living terrible lives. The child advocate Andrew Vachss says, "We make our own monsters and build our own beasts." I think early childhood guidance is crucial to keeping people from going off the rails later in life.
It was a trade secret at the time. Maybe he'll tell us now...What is Scott using to get that sound- its very clean and clear but seems to have something extra... Slight compression??
In my interview Thunes compared his bass playing to the work of folk artist Howard Finster:That would be great. I haven't finished the CDs yet... but it's awesome that there's Stravinsky and Bartok on there.. (I'm a classically trained bassist)... Zappa is actually respected in the 'art music' world as he did contribute a bit to that genre. His version of 4'33" is legendary.
And as far as Scott's playing - so tasty! the right note, the right grooves, (even some chords) all at the RIGHT time... now that's bass playing.
Wow. What a flattering message. Thanks very much.OH. MY. GOD.
When I got home last night (actually this morning at 5am) I had to unwind, so I sat down at the 'puter and as I so often do, hit up TB. Here's this thread I had seen but not read yet, so I click on it.
At 630, having been awake for 22 hours, I couldn't keep my eyes open, so I went to bed, leaving this open on the desktop. I woke up at 10, got a cup of coffee, and have been at this now for HOURS.
Tom, thank you so very much for sharing, for baring your soul to us. I have laughed, I have wept, fer chrissakes, and I can't tell you how much this has moved me. I couldn't stop reading until I got to the end. I have countless windows open, waiting for me to listen to stacked youtube videos for the NEXT innumerable hours, but I COULDN'T STOP READING!! Its almost 250 in the afternoon, and I haven't yet had breakfast.
I currently subscribe to BP (I hope this won't make me seem like a bad person in some people's eyes, not that I really care) and find it, for the most part, insipid, but sometimes there are a few rare gems. I lurk here, and toss in a few bits; I find much valuable info and a whole lot of opinion/entertainment here as well. However, this thread is by far the most wonderful, cogent thing I have ever seen on TB.
There is one thing you said: "Keep playing, and if--God forbid a million times--someday you can't play anymore, there will come a time in which you'll accept it and it won't enrage or sadden you anymore," that has totally, irrevocably moved me. With all due respect, would you mind if I used this quote for my sig? (I hope it will fit....)
I'm a crappy bassist playing in two bands with other old farts, and we are still having fun with it. I am incredibly lucky that, at almost 60 years of age, I have my health and my faculties still with me. I thank God for my good fortune, and know that I am truly blessed. My heart goes out to you, and I hope that when my time comes, I can have at least a fraction of the grace you display.
You write as though there is an end to the story. Please, don't let it be so.