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Twenty eight pages of entertainment (not all read in one go, I hasten to add!!) with no trolling, back stabbing or ankle biting... Bass=community. You, Tom are the Bard of Bass Players.
Actually, it's the bass community that shines. I'm happy to have added my contribution, but I'm very proud of everyone for their exemplary behavior. This could've easily become a debacle that put a jester's cap on me and left me with the taste of sweet, sweet failure in my mouth forever.

And thank you for the kind words you've expressed for my pantheon of heroes, Immortals, and menchen.
 
I must schedule this thread in my diary. I've just consumed a whole weekend's worth of material and now I'm feeling bloated. It's the feeling I'd imagine I'd have after a ten-course meal at one of the world's finest restaurants.
Thank you. In this sense I can agree with Poe and Thunes: As the chef here I created no new dishes; instead I accessed recipes that preexisted and either presented them in their entirety or modified them slightly by applying my knowledge of cooking.
 
Tom,

Let me add my own thanks to you (and to Scott and Brian for weighing in and adding large volumes of awesomenesss to a thread already saturated with epic) for providing this wonderful gift to our community. Your amazing stories are priceless and alone are worth the read, but there is so much more here that needs to be acknowledged. This is one of the most touching and emotionally satisfying things I've ever read on the internet - or anywhere, for that matter - because this isn't just tales of the ugliness of the entertaiment industry, the toll it takes on those caught in the meat grinder, and the few stellar individuals who rise above the sewage and manage to be something wonderful. What has captivated me and kept me through 28+ pages is your story; specifically, hearing first-hand about how your thick shell of rage, bitterness, and self-loathing built up by years of dissapointment and failure at the hands of all that ugliness has, after all of these years, dried up and blown away in the wind. I hate to diminish it by referencing typical Hollywood drivel, but I can't help but think about the scene in Forrest Gump when Lt. Dan (played by fellow bass player Gary Sinese) makes his peace with God.

Lt. Dan Makes His Peace - You Tube

It is quite uplifting to hear that you've made your peace. Congratulations. More importantly, it is really nice to think that, someday, I just might be able to feel the same way about myself. Thanks again.

-Y
I've been speaking with a young veteran I met on this forum. He told me that one of the mottoes he learned in the military is "Adapt and Overcome."

How very elegant. Those three words will give you everything you need to achieve your peace.
 
Thank you. In this sense I can agree with Poe and Thunes: As the chef here I created no new dishes; instead I accessed recipes that preexisted and either presented them in their entirety or modified them slightly by applying my knowledge of cooking.

In a sense this is what most of us do when cooking and what the great chefs also do. The difference is in the quality of the result. I can cook well enough to eat and I can write well enough to be understood, although sometimes I run close to the line on both. The top chef and I take the same ingredients for spaghetti bolognaise and both produce dishes that are technically the same, yet anyone with half a tastebud, eyeball and nostril would spot the difference. I see the same with your writing, Tom. Whether you would see it as an art, a craft or just the end result of hard labour, I choose to simply enjoy the end result.
 
In a sense this is what most of us do when cooking and what the great chefs also do. The difference is in the quality of the result. I can cook well enough to eat and I can write well enough to be understood, although sometimes I run close to the line on both. The top chef and I take the same ingredients for spaghetti bolognaise and both produce dishes that are technically the same, yet anyone with half a tastebud, eyeball and nostril would spot the difference. I see the same with your writing, Tom. Whether you would see it as an art, a craft or just the end result of hard labour, I choose to simply enjoy the end result.
Thank you.

For you, on a related theme, an excerpt from my second unpublished interview with Scott Thunes, the moment we finally agreed on the terms of the discussion:

TW: I finally figured out a way to skewer you on all this.

ST: Dig it.

TW: You’ve heard of [Anonymous].

ST: Yes, I've heard of him.

TW: Have you listened to him play?

ST: I saw him play with that drummer ten years ago, maybe twelve years ago.

TW: Okay. [Anonymous] gets a lot accolades as being one of the major unsung greats who had the misfortune of being Jaco Pastorius and Stanley Clarke's contemporary, and he just never got the recognition he deserved, okay? I had pitched interviewing him and I was at Bass Player talking to the editor, and [Anonymous] suddenly called in the middle of us talking. I wanted to interview him because I'd heard he was a combative pr*ck, and hell, you know? That's what I like!

ST: Excellent!

TW: He asked for the cover or nothing. And I was sitting there, eavesdropping on this conversation--

ST: Delightful!

TW: And the editor said, "The writer who wants to do the article is sitting here in the room. Do you want to talk to him?" No. So, we kind of left it up in the air.

ST: No!

TW: Yeah.

ST: That is so delightful.

TW: Well, the thing that the editor does't accept, and of course what [Anonymous] would not accept, but which I know because I have good taste, is that [Anonymous] doesn't have taste. He may know all this sh*t--

ST: Thank you very much.

TW: But he has no taste at all.

ST: None. None at all.

TW: He has none. So, I think your ability to play is way beyond what you've just been talking about. This is why I've finally understood why I’m so p*ssed off at you. It's about taste.

ST: Very nice. I like that. Go with it.

TW: Why in the world won’t you just say, "I have good taste"?

ST: I have very good taste.

TW: You do have good taste.

ST: I have excellent tastes. I have impeccable taste in music, in friends, in women, and... in music.

TW: So that's what this is all about. I've not been asking you the right questions.

St: That's true. No.

TW: And you couldn't have helped me out.

ST: Nope. I had no idea where you were going with this. But that's absolutely true. I have impeccable taste.

TW: All right. So you admit that musicians can have good taste. Is this innate, or is it something that can be--

ST: Yes, it is innate, my friend. I've been shoving taste down my friends' throats for years, and they have not changed an iota. I have very many, very excellent friends who have absolutely rotten taste. But I love them dearly because they have other elements where they're strong. The problem is that when you're not being tasteful, it stands out. Oh Jesus hell! That's the joy for me of listening to my music. The shuddering of when I’m going to, when the un-tastefulness going to pop out. Because most of it is very useful. But if I play one pattern that sounds trite, or I do one note in a scale that sounds banal, I freak out.
 
ST: Yes, it is innate, my friend. I've been shoving taste down my friends' throats for years, and they have not changed an iota. I have very many, very excellent friends who have absolutely rotten taste. But I love them dearly because they have other elements where they're strong. The problem is that when you're not being tasteful, it stands out. Oh Jesus hell! That's the joy for me of listening to my music. The shuddering of when I’m going to, when the un-tastefulness going to pop out. Because most of it is very useful. But if I play one pattern that sounds trite, or I do one note in a scale that sounds banal, I freak out.

This statement kinda sums up my philosophy as a musician. I know EXACTLY what Scott is talking about there. There's nothing I hate more than playing a trite or banal bass line. Play what the music *calls for*, but give it some personality and creativity. Don't settle for commonplace. For me, that doesn't necessarily mean note selection, but time, feel, dynamics - the whole enchilada!

And when you do play something that might be pretty common (straight eighths, anyone?), play it with conviction, as if your life depends on it.

I could go on and on, but I'll just say that Scott's comments resonate with me, a lot. All of them. Thanks for putting it out there!
 
Tom, thank you so much for doing this, for sharing yourself with us. I am sincerely grateful for all of it.

As I read the stories, I imagine them told musically, like Laurie Anderson's work. Some of the sounds I'm imagining are collaged snippets of the bands you're describing, but some are actually more like Laurie's actual recordings--specifically the supporting soundscapes created for/with her by Adrian Belew and David Van Tieghem, but with her voice replaced by Bogart's Sam Spade, giving his hard-boiled voice-over narrative.

It's a great show! :)
 
WOW!!! I discovered this thread last week and just now finally got all the way through it!! This thread plays out like a movie. The angry/bitter former journalist giving a warning to all the people who think they want a part of the twisted lifestyle that he had the (mis)fortune of viewing. And also wanting acceptance from the one person he got close to in this twisted showbiz world!!

Hope to hear MANY more stories from you Tom!! And also a big thanks to Scott Thunes and Bryan Beller for lending their voices to this amazingly interesting thread!! I feel like I should be paying for this type of entertainment!! I don't remember exactly how but I stumbled on to the name of Scott Thunes and our good friend Toms book awhile back. I have always been interested in Frank Zappa so I will HAVE to check out MAJNH. I will also be ordering Tom's book as soon as I get paid this weekend!!
 
ima gonna get lynched but The Mother Hips aren't doing it for me.

i saw Scott's Whipping Post with Zappa,that was mucho fun to watch AND listen to

Scott has more bass talent in a single taco turd than i have in my entire body so i have no problem sharing my OPINION about his playing on 2, nee 3 instances i have seen.

Scott, what do YOU enjoy about playing in Mother Hips?
 
Loving this thread. Getting interested in all kinds of stuff I hadn't given a lot of thought to in the past. Already ordered In Cold Sweat and The Big Wheel from Amazon. Picked up MAJNH, too. Next, some Gentle Giant...

Glad Scott finally anwered you.

You're a slyly captivating writer, Tom! I hope to someday recognize your style under the fiction pseudonym.
 
This thread truly is 'dancing about architecture'.

It's inspired me to pick up my bass tonight and not just practice parts but drag out that ounce of musicality that's lurking deep inside. I'm not a naturally flowing creative, I wrestle with every note and try to win more bouts than I lose. The artistry described in this thread though, and the artistry in the descriptions themselves, create a desire in me to play music rather than bass.

Sorry, getting a bit flowery there... erm... epic thread, full of win etc. :)
 
ima gonna get lynched but The Mother Hips aren't doing it for me.

i saw Scott's Whipping Post with Zappa,that was mucho fun to watch AND listen to

Scott has more bass talent in a single taco turd than i have in my entire body so i have no problem sharing my OPINION about his playing on 2, nee 3 instances i have seen.

Scott, what do YOU enjoy about playing in Mother Hips?
Nobody's going to lynch you. Opinions can't be wrong, because they're not factual. I like peanut butter, black beans, tomato salsa, and dill pickle in a pita. If you don't like it, does that mean I should kill you?

But you don't like even this? Try to overcome the poor quality of the recording and listen to what Scott plays, especially on the song "Magazine." Listen to how he subtly alters his line to follow the solos, and listen to how he builds the tension by playing more and more notes, faster and faster. Watch the many different techniques he uses and attacks he creates with his pick. I'd say it's one of the greatest bass performances ever caught on tape.

The Mother Hips - YouTube

Generally The Mother Hips wouldn't be my kind of music, either, but there's something about how they sound with Thunes in the band that makes me like them. He transforms them, and I do like their vocal style. They've grown on me immensely. I want to hear a professionally recorded CD collection of a The Mother Hips tour with Thunes on the bass.

I'll confess here that I never listen to any Zappa except for the songs with Thunes in them. Zappa's music--with all that annoying xylophone!--simply isn't my cup of tea.

I told this to Scott. After I got out of the hospital, we were friends again.
 
Loving this thread. Getting interested in all kinds of stuff I hadn't given a lot of thought to in the past. Already ordered In Cold Sweat and The Big Wheel from Amazon. Picked up MAJNH, too. Next, some Gentle Giant...

Glad Scott finally anwered you.

You're a slyly captivating writer, Tom! I hope to someday recognize your style under the fiction pseudonym.
Thanks for all of that. I greatly appreciate it. Allow me to quote from another of my Immortals, the journalist/novelist/poet Stephen Crane, who died at 28 from TB. All his poems are untitled, but I wish I'd found his work at the time I was experiencing what I felt to be an unbroken string of failures. This from the collection War is Kind and Other Lines.

XVI

There was a man with tongue of wood
Who essayed to sing,
And in truth it was lamentable.
But there was one who heard
The clip-clapper of this tongue of wood
And knew what the man
Wished to sing,
And with that the singer was content.


I am now content.
 
WOW!!! I discovered this thread last week and just now finally got all the way through it!! This thread plays out like a movie. The angry/bitter former journalist giving a warning to all the people who think they want a part of the twisted lifestyle that he had the (mis)fortune of viewing. And also wanting acceptance from the one person he got close to in this twisted showbiz world!!

Hope to hear MANY more stories from you Tom!! And also a big thanks to Scott Thunes and Bryan Beller for lending their voices to this amazingly interesting thread!! I feel like I should be paying for this type of entertainment!! I don't remember exactly how but I stumbled on to the name of Scott Thunes and our good friend Toms book awhile back. I have always been interested in Frank Zappa so I will HAVE to check out MAJNH. I will also be ordering Tom's book as soon as I get paid this weekend!!
Thank you for all that, but I must make one correction:

Apart from my brother, Scott Thunes and his wife Georgia are the two people who know me best on the face of the earth. It was never about acceptance or validation; it was about allowing me to know for certain that what I'd had and then lost was real and not wishful thinking or fantasizing on my part.

I didn't want to be tormented by the thought that I'd put so much emotion into something that never existed.

Also, I wanted the bassist who haunted me the most to be the one who made the final comment on my own bass-playing career, now that he no longer haunts me.

It's complicated, but so's Scott. He just had to build that tension, the way he said he would. What good would his comment have been if he hadn't made me sweat for a while waiting for it?

PRETTY DAMN GOOD, is the answer. But the guy's gonna do what he's gonna do, forever.
 
A San Francisco story:

I knew a bassist who was one of the best slappers on the planet. When we met, I was the one devoted to the bass, and she was a singer, keyboardist, and percussionist who had a bass just to add the bottom to her compositions. She was a former professional child musician. I introduced her to King Crimson, and she fell in love with Tony Levin. "Sleepless" was her favorite.

King Crimson-Sleepless - YouTube

I was frustrated by my left-handedness, because at the time Ernie Ball didn't make lefty MusicMan Sting Rays. So, my bassist friend bought me a right-handed Sting Ray and had the store luthiers build a left-handed body for it. The neck, pickup, bridge, and electronics from the rightie bass were put on it, and thus I had my own Sting Ray.

I taught her to slap, and she became much better at it than I was, probably because of her experience as a percussionist. We slapped together day and night. She also loved the song "Close to the Edit" by Art of Noise. Though we tried for years to learn the sampled bass line for that one, we agreed that no human could ever play it.

We never had much money, but eventually I bought her a Sting Ray of her own. She was flabbergasted. I don't know why; I would've bought her the world if I could. Life being what it is, we parted ways in 1994.

In 1997, I was obligated to call her to tie up a loose end. She'd married a very wealthy man and was pregnant. I myself was still struggling and single. I didn't look forward to the call, because our parting was hideously acrimonious.

When she answered the phone in her deep, creamy voice, I said, "It's Tom Wictor," and she gasped.

"Tom," she quavered. "It's so good to hear from you!" She then shocked me by starting to cry and laugh at the same time. She was always deeply emotional. She'd cry listening to music, reading novels, and watching movies; even TV commercials made her cry.

"How've you been?" she sniffled.

I told her I was fine and asked her how she'd been. In a rush, she told me that the last concerts she'd been to were with me; the last time she'd gone to a music store was with me; she never played her instruments anymore; and she never wrote songs anymore.

I said I was sorry, because music had been her life.

"It was," she said.

We concluded our business and hung up. Over the years, we'd occasionally connect by e-mail, but never again by phone. Even the e-mails dwindled into nothingness. In 2009 I joined Facebook (under a pseudonym) and found her account. I sent her a message, telling her I was still around and giving her my new e-mail address.

She answered and told me that the cat we'd had together had recently died at the age of 23. I sent her a poem I wrote in honor of our cat's passing. It described the way the cat and I would play with a rubber tarantula on a string for hours at a time. The cat would do amazing five-foot leaps and fighter-plane twists in midair. It was unbelievable.

"Did she do that?" the bassist responded. "I don't remember."

About a year later I sent her a link to Trevor Horn playing Art of Noise's "Close to the Edit" live on bass. I said, "Look, it was humanly possible to play this song after all!"

The bassist wrote back, "Did I like this song? It's such a strange, painfully foggy sensation, like having a word on the tip of your tongue. I don't remember liking it."

When I finally admitted to myself that I could no longer play the bass, I sent her a link to my farewell video. I thanked her for buying me the Sting Ray and told her it had given me years of pleasure. To commemorate the bass, the way I used to be able to play, and her, I'd posted the video and I wanted her to watch it.

She sent me the following reply: "Hey Tom. I was just thinking about you last week! I was listening to a radio station and the monologist's observations/humor reminded me so much of you. Thank you for sharing your YouTube performance with me. How very sad that you no longer have your prize bass. And even sadder that you no longer play. Good to hear from you. __________"

As I said before, I must always open the door and see what's on the other side. I must have my answer, regardless of what that answer will be.

I must have that coda, because clarity depends on it.

I've been enjoying this thread. This story really punched me in the heart.
 
Nobody's going to lynch you. Opinions can't be wrong, because they're not factual. I like peanut butter, black beans, tomato salsa, and dill pickle in a pita. If you don't it, does that mean I should kill you?

But you don't like even this? Try to overcome the poor quality of the recording and listen to what Scott plays, especially on the song "Magazine." Listen to how he subtly alters his line to follow the solos, and listen to how he builds the tension by playing more and more notes, faster and faster. Watch the many different techniques he uses and attacks he creates with his pick. I'd say it's one of the greatest bass performances ever caught on tape.

The Mother Hips - YouTube

Generally The Mother Hips wouldn't be my kind of music, either, but there's something about how they sound with Thunes in the band that makes me like them. He transforms them, and I do like their vocal style. They've grown on me immensely. I want to hear a professionally recorded CD collection of a The Mother Hips tour with Thunes on the bass.

I'll confess here that I never listen to any Zappa except for the songs with Thunes in them. Zappa's music--with all that annoying xylophone!--simply isn't my cup of tea.

I told this to Scott. After I got out of the hospital, we were friends again.

I'd definitely be interested in buying a Mother Hips CD (if that ever happens.) In addition to the fantastic bass, I also like those vocals. When it comes to vocals, I'm usually pretty hard to please. That is a great band.
 
I've been enjoying this thread. This story really punched me in the heart.
Me, too. But as always, Stephen Crane was there before me. From The Black Riders and Other Lines:

XLVI
Many red devils ran from my heart
And out upon the page.
They were so tiny
The pen could mash them.
And many struggled in the ink.
It was strange
To write in this red muck
Of things from my heart.
 
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An L.A. story:

The record label called one day and asked if I wanted to see the band's concert, as a reward for my interview with the bassist. I didn't really want to, because I hate being swept through sluices in a crowd, everyone mooing, bellowing, and pawing the ground with their hooves. I avoided going to concerts whenever possible, a somewhat self-defeating attitude for a music journalist.

Also, the bassist and I hadn't gotten along. At one point I'd asked him one of those challenging, theoretical what-would-you-answer to people-who-say questions, and he apparently thought I was telling him what I thought, because he snapped, "F*ck you!" and glared at me for several seconds before answering. He then brought up that statement about ten more times during the interview. He had horribly rotted teeth, so maybe he was irritable from the pain.

Eventually I decided I'd better go to the concert, because I had no idea when the ride at Bass Player would be over. The people at the label told me I was on The List, but since I'd been turned away many times at concerts where flacks had said they'd put me on The List but hadn't actually bothered to do it, and since I'd once been given tickets for seats about six miles from the stage in reward for conducting what the label said was the best interview of the bassist's career, I didn't expecting anything at all from the pot-smoking, green-haired former dominatrix handling the band.

The night of the show, I drove the half hour to Pomona, arrived at the hall, checked with the List Guy, and was dumbfounded to be handed a yellow vinyl hospital bracelet.

"That'll get you into the party afterward," the man said. I went inside and saw a that there was a really cruddy band as the opener. I now had a dilemma: I possessed an advance copy of the Bass Player issue with the article on the bassist, but since I'd expected to be given either just a crappy general admission ticket or the bum's rush, I hadn't brought it with me. I decided to go home and get it. I asked the doorman to stamp my hand, and he pointed to my yellow hospital bracelet.

"You don't need your hand stamped. You can come and go all you want with that." With this incredible passport in my possession, I therefore got back in my car, drove all the way home, and plucked the magazine from my elderly mommy's fingers, telling her "I'll get you another, Ma."

Reading that last sentence might make people think I lived with my parents while I was a music journalist. How absurd! What nonsense! I lived next door to them.

Now, I'd have a function at the party: Purveyor of the Advance Copy. Maybe I could even get the evil-tempered, rotten-toothed bassist to crack a frosty smile, once he saw how well the piece had turned out. I drove back to Pomona and tried to walk past a different doorman, holding up my braceleted arm.

He grabbed me and yanked me to a halt. "Hey, where the f*ck do you think you're going?"

I pointed to my bracelet and said, "The other guy told me I didn't have to get my hand stamped because I have this all-access bracelet."

"There's no f*ckin' all-access bracelet, a**hole. If you had all access, you'd be wearing a pass around your neck. Now get the f*ck outta here!"

"Look, I interviewed--"

"I don't give a sh*t! Get outta here before I kick your a**!"

He had a shaved head, his black T-shirt barely containing his massive torso. His upper arms were bigger than my thighs. I went over to the ticket window, but it was closed, with a "SOLD OUT" sign propped up against the the glass. There were no other entrances to the hall I could find, so I drove home and gave my mother back her copy of the magazine. I told her what had happened.

"I didn't like that bassist anyway," she said. "He looks really mean in the photo."
 
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