Iron Ether Appreciation Society

[willsellout]

Capitalism will capitalism. I would definitely be in the market for one at a decent price. That one is well above what I believe is a decent price, so I’m not interested. Doesn’t bother me at all. Someone might be interested though and it’s their money to spend how they like. Personally I wouldn’t get rid of that pedal if I had it. It’s a monster and not easily replaceable.

 

[letsgethandsome]

This is a conversation I find interesting even if it’s been beaten to dead horse standards…. I have been on all sides of this scenario. I have a hard time faulting the basic capitalism of it. A thing is worth what someone is willing to pay for said thing.

I have over paid for some things. There are some things I would overpay for right now. That said, I have also sold things for less than I paid for them. And in general, if I’m going to sell something on here, I will do so for a fair price by community standards because it’s important to me to be a part of this community. Because I do this, I have had many opportunities to purchase things from people for fair prices that they could have sold for more, and there’s kind of a mutual respect thing…. But nobody is obligated to do so. But as @cosmicevan said you kind of can’t have it both ways.

Anyway, f it dude let’s go bowling. And talk about pedals.

 

[Matt Dean]

Also I said don’t crap on me for the price, as in I am indifferent to how you feel about the price.

This kind of comment is not becoming of the TB community; not appreciated. Think what you may, but courtesy is the currency of positive regard in TB.

 

[AVFCbass]

Cool. Now do the one where he asked not to crap on him for the price - after the reasoning was thoroughly explained multiple times - and then was subsequently crapped on. Laughable double standard going on there; pure hypocrisy.

 

[Charlie Tuna]

I’m really interested to see what Taylor is coming up with in his lab. With the way parts are right now, perhaps he will come up with some type of pedal sequencer called The Abacus.

 

[AVFCbass]

I’m really interested to see what Taylor is coming up with in his lab. With the way parts are right now, perhaps he will come up with some type of pedal sequencer called The Abacus.

Definitely curious about the analog pedals he may or may not be cooking up.

 

[Real Soon]

I doubt I'll ever be able to afford another Iron Ether pedal, because capitalism vs my bank account (also I WILL gladly crap on scalpers and leeches, but if a buyer chooses to pay what they see a pedal being worth, I trust them to use the dogsnot out of that pedal and prove that worth. That the other end of capitalism, after all!). Still, I'm willing to keep looking for the cool stuff. A suitably-priced FMeron would get a quick PayPal, that's for sure.

And I'm quite deliriously happy with my Polytope and Xerograph Deluxe, even with both being a few generations old now. They're no less fantastic pedals, and the Xero D gets chaotically awesome and weird in ways even the envelopetually fabulous SA C4 & Spectrum can't.

 

[Grassmaster]

I wish I had a Polytope. I'm in love with my XD and Oxide.

 

[aguacateojos]

Hey, I know the perfect solution - Taylor, why not just increase your prices to match where these after-marker pieces are selling? That way we can support you while still paying these new, inflated prices that (some) people have clearly justified.

Except please don't. I'd like to be able to afford more Iron Ether in the future...

 

[Andre678]

I wish I had a Polytope. I'm in love with my XD and Oxide.

This could have come directly out of my own mouth. I want a Polytope so bad. I am hoping it is one of the first batches once chips are back in easy supply.

 

[spufman]

I wish I had a Polytope. I'm in love with my XD and Oxide

Funny, those are the three IE pedals on my board. The Polytope will be worth your patience, it's a sweet box.

 

[BurningSkies]

Yeah, I don't have an Oxide, but the Polytope, Xerograph Deluxe and Nimbus are pedals that I'd never move.

 

[doran.dragic]

So I came across a used Xerograph Deluxe about a year and a half after I sold my first XD which I ordered directly from Taylor. I needed the money at the time so I sold it even though I really really liked it. I bought the used Xerograph but I'm doubting my decision right now since being unable to dial in the sounds I need fast enough was one of the reasons that I sold my first unit eventually.

For some time I tried to find somebody who'd be able to convert the pedal so that I could save the presets and recall them by using MIDI but I wasn't able to find anyone so I'm only using the pedal at home at the time.

 

[BurningSkies]

So I came across a used Xerograph Deluxe about a year and a half after I sold my first XD which I ordered directly from Taylor. I needed the money at the time so I sold it even though I really really liked it. I bought the used Xerograph but I'm doubting my decision right now since being unable to dial in the sounds I need fast enough was one of the reasons that I sold my first unit eventually.

For some time I tried to find somebody who'd be able to convert the pedal so that I could save the presets and recall them by using MIDI but I wasn't able to find anyone so I'm only using the pedal at home at the time.

That's why for my real live gigging board I have a C4. I have about 4 different envelope sounds that I can change with a single click. I love the XD and if I could dial in different stuff quickly, it would be a different story.

 

[doran.dragic]

That's why for my real live gigging board I have a C4. I have about 4 different envelope sounds that I can change with a single click. I love the XD and if I could dial in different stuff quickly, it would be a different story.

Yeah, same here. I carry C4 on my mini board and also a HX Stomp so I can also use the Stomp to access all of the presets on the C4 which is really practical. I wish I could use presets on the Xerograph though.

 

[BurningSkies]

Yeah, same here. I carry C4 on my mini board and also a HX Stomp so I can also use the Stomp to access all of the presets on the C4 which is really practical. I wish I could use presets on the Xerograph though.

Yep. I've brought it up, didn't go over entirely positively. Taylor would like to stay out of the patch and program midi-pedal world it seems.

I was carrying a few envelopes and a few things to feed them with for a bit but by moving to the C4 I cleared out about 5 pedal spaced on my board down to one.

 

[Dr Greenthumb]

I'm personally glad Taylor stays away from the midi/presets/patches. Having differents IE sounds more readily accessible would be cool but I really don't see how hard it is to just set a pedal the way you and then change it for a different tone. That crowd is taken care of by different companies that cater to that style of effects with great success as evidenced by the C4, HX Stomp and many other pedals. I think it's cool that Taylor is staying true to his roots by not going the preset way.

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I'm trying real hard to stop myself from commenting on the bi-weekly "price gouging/selling for too much" but I'll say this.. It's a shame the microchip shortage has created this two fold situation where there are less pedals being made and the used market goes crazy because of it. These Iron Ether pedals, like many from other brands, are awesome and people shouldn't be in a situation where they have to pay so much for a chance to try one because Taylor didn't price 'em that way.. Overpaying creates situations where some people won't like the pedal they overpaid for and then pass the buck on to the next (un)lucky guy and the cycle continues until someone takes a loss or new pedals enter the market.

I won't go further into it, even if I don't mind this kind of discussion, because this poor horse has been beat to s**t enough already, at least for this weekly episode. I'm a cards on the table kinda guy about things like this.. I think this kind of discussion should be encouraged within a community, when done in a respectful and constructive way. Many people here have made great points and TB is awesome place to discover and share about a common passion for us. Pricing is something that affects anyone participating.

 

[doran.dragic]

Yep. I've brought it up, didn't go over entirely positively. Taylor would like to stay out of the patch and program midi-pedal world it seems.

I was carrying a few envelopes and a few things to feed them with for a bit but by moving to the C4 I cleared out about 5 pedal spaced on my board down to one.

Would you mind explaining how you fed envelopes to XD?

 

[BurningSkies]

Would you mind explaining how you fed envelopes to XD?

Oh, I didn't. I had a fuzz and another gain pedal or two in the front part of my circuit, and a choice of the XD or a Proton or a Joshwah in line too, so I could mix and match. Though I generally had the XD in a crossover loop (Divaricator or one of the other X/O pedals I have) with it's own fuzz.

 

[doran.dragic]

I'm personally glad Taylor stays away from the midi/presets/patches. Having differents IE sounds more readily accessible would be cool but I really don't see how hard it is to just set a pedal the way you and then change it for a different tone. That crowd is taken care of by different companies that cater to that style of effects with great success as evidenced by the C4, HX Stomp and many other pedals. I think it's cool that Taylor is staying true to his roots by not going the preset way.

It becomes problem if you want to use different settings in the same song or simply don't have the time onstage to noodle with the levels to check if the pedal is set exactly the way you want it. Also sometimes you find a position that gives you a sound that's very specific in combination with other effects and it's just cumbersome to replicate. Moreover setting a pedal on a dark stage is a tedious job.

Also I don't think that either C4 or the filters on the stomp self oscillate in the same way that the Xerograph does so some sounds are impossible to replicate on either of those devices.

I can understand the reason though. It's probably not financially viable since IE is a one man company and only a small amount of their customers would care enough for these features to pay extra money for them.