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Is blues a dying art?

Dude, you're entitled to your opinion, but to me your original point was kind of weak. The blues is one of the few genres where virtuosity and depth of emotion still mater. Sure, there will always be poseurs but the genre itself ensures that the cream rises to the top

You've evidently never listened to an RL Burnside record, have you? Or anything put out on the Fat Possum label, I'm guessing. Those guys from Mississippi and the Delta are still doing it to this day, playing on porches and in juke joints.

Another practitioner of the blues who doesn't get his due? Tom Waits. Listen to the man sing, and tell me his isn't singing the blues.
 
Here's the thing; there's a huge rift between purists for whom "the Blues" is what guys like BB King and Muddy Waters were playing in the 50s, and "evolutionists" (or whatever you want to call them) who would accept music inspired by that stuff as the "new blues." Basically it's a matter of whether you think that guys like Bonamassa and Gary Clark Jr. and for that matter Jack White and the Black Keys are carrying forward a living tradition, or if you think they've bowdlerized it or ruined it or whatever and aren't playing "real" blues. If you don't accept what those guys are doing as "real blues," then blues has pretty much stagnated, and it's impossible for it to be otherwise - because if people keep playing like they played in the 50s, blues "hasn't changed/grown", and if they don't keep playing like that, it's "not real blues."

Personally, I think that we forget that the blues is a marketing label used to package artists for sale to audiences. Back when the recording industry got started in the 1920s, if a black musician came in and recorded a song, it was labeled "blues." If a white musician recorded the same song, they labeled it "hillbilly" or "rockabilly" or something of that sort. The music world actually got more segregated than it had been, and the musical styles diverged from each other, because of the record companies pushing artists at same-race audiences.

I think once we realize that, and get over the starry-eyed mystical Mississippi Delta/jungles-of-africa myth, and see that "blues" is just a marketing label, we can listen to and appreciate artists influencing each other much more freely.
 
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I really am puzzled by the people who don't hear the blues in Dan Auerbach's or Jack White's guitar playing. It's RIGHT THERE. They're not hiding it. The blues is a major part of their musical identities and they're celebrating it in their work. Are their songs in a standard blues 12 bar form? No. But blues is not purely about that form. When you hear it, you know it.
 
I really am puzzled by the people who don't hear the blues in Dan Auerbach's or Jack White's guitar playing. It's RIGHT THERE. They're not hiding it. The blues is a major part of their musical identities and they're celebrating it in their work. Are their songs in a standard blues 12 bar form? No. But blues is not purely about that form. When you hear it, you know it.

Nobody is denying the influence of the blues on those guys.
 
Interesting discussion. I would like to add that there has always been a wide variety of styles/sounds in the thing we call the blues. I hear variations of this exact same discussion about bluegrass, country, rockabilly- attempting to strictly define the boundary and put everything into a nice box. Like most things in the real world, that ain't gonna happen.
Among the blues purists, you have your folks that only want to hear Son House, Charlie Patton, Robert Johnson, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Leadbelly... etc... folks that only want to hear Delta, Chicago (which side of town?), Hill country blues, Piedmont style stuff... on and on...
There are many arbitrary lines in the sand you can draw about -this is blues/this is not. For myself, and I believe the Blues is about a feeling. For an artist-It's about conveying a certain amount of heaviness and soul. It's about catharsis- which should be the basis for great music of all types.
 

Yeah .. I mean, I'm a middle aged white guy working in goverment. Hard to feel the agony of picking cotton underneat the southern sun.

Blues doesn't really belong to most people and while the generation, that grew up in the 50s, where intrigued cos it was a new thing, these days it really doesn't belong in its traditional form.
 
The Blues: Origins of: Slaves with no instruments and no way of obtaining them except they had voices and hands to clap. The only thing that they knew about, they could sing about and that was their miserable existence. The Blues is a reflection and lament in the most pedantic way that they found of entertaining themselves at little or no cost. When things improved, they began to find guitars and banjos etc. some could get hold of honky-tonk pianos and dabble around with their old chants from Africa in English with the mixture of European and African musical accompaniment. The blue notes being favoured being the quarter tone between the minor third and major 3rd. These can be found by bending the strings - not possible on some instruments. The dominant 7th also plays a big part. The Blues is a very basic folk form. Once urbanised, it loses much of its originality.The man with a guitar and voice sitting down singing his tales of woe - that's the blues and we must not forget that the girls get the Blues too. Yes, Blues spread out from the plantations etc. Chicago Blues spawned the electric guitar, bass and drums units. Jazz evolved with the Blues as did Country & Western then Rock'n'Roll. Soul and then Funk etc. Make a family tree of the influence Blues had and it will become clear.
Many club bands had a good proportion of their acts derived from the Blues now it is discussed on-line and recorded and mixed digitally. Renaissance Lute music gets electronically recorded too! To get the blue notes on bass guitar you have to bend the string with the minor 3rd but not so far as it becomes the major 3rd. Halfway between and your ears will know.
 
1. Hit and strum I chord. :bassist:
2. Make some statement about your woman or your life.
(Ex-"I got a woman-keep me awake all night long."):atoz:
3. Say-"I said"
4. Hit IV Chord and repeat statement from Step 2.
5. Hit I Chord for 8 beats. :bassist:
6. Hit V Chord and make some statment related to previous
repeated statement. Make only half the statment.
("She always stays out late.....:
7. Back to I Chord and finish statment.
("I know she's runnin 'round doin me wrong."):bawl:

Choose your own lyrics.
 
You've evidently never listened to an RL Burnside record, have you? Or anything put out on the Fat Possum label, I'm guessing. Those guys from Mississippi and the Delta are still doing it to this day, playing on porches and in juke joints.

Another practitioner of the blues who doesn't get his due? Tom Waits. Listen to the man sing, and tell me his isn't singing the blues.

Dude, you're preaching to the choir. I think you meant to reply to someone else who is anti-blues.
 
I came across a record label called Broke and Hungry Records that is traveling through the south to record all the "aging" delta blues artists that have never really been heard outside of their hometowns. Their goal is to get as much of that music recorded as they can before those bluesmen pass on. Pretty cool!
 
The blues is a style of music, like any other. Many artists practice and master the skill of playing the blues now and will, without a doubt, continue because it will always be a popular and timeless form of expression.

You snobs may have your opinion but that does not make you an authority on the matter. If you want to stand back and proclaim "That ain't the blues!" then you are simply being closed minded. Get off your high horses people and just try and appreciate talent where it exists.
 
Blues..what it is ....and isn't .....is very difficult to describe. Depends on hiw open the other person is to interpretation.

The mind cannot be fully functional unless it is fully open in my opinion..

Ask blues purists..they will quickly tell you what it isn't.

Whereas I respect that the art sometimes lies within the limitation as in B/W photography, I certainly don't disdain color photography. I rather prefer it. Same with modern electric blues....changes are played correctly, in tune and with intense passion..THE MORE THE MERRIER. This includes Buddy Guy, Robert Cray and many others

I enjoy going to vintage /classic auto shows..doesn't mean that I can't accept that a 4 cyl import can't quickly exeed those old war horses in speed, and triple their gas mileage as well...even they will soon be exceeded by totaly electric cars on the drag strip in next several years..already been done... I digress..

When we get to heaven and ask who that little clique in the corner is..response will be..Oh that's the Blues Purists..they think no one else made it up here but them..
 
Dude, you're preaching to the choir. I think you meant to reply to someone else who is anti-blues.

I was referring to your comment about virtuosity. It's a form where virtuosity has the opportunity to shine through, but that isn't the end all, be all of blues.

It's about authenticity. Hence my reference to RL Burnside. Not a virtuoso by any stretch. But there was something raw and honest to what he was doing. On the flipside, there are some players trying to pass themselves off as bluesmen who have chops for days. And a lot of people see right through them.
 
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