Is It Really Too Much to Ask?

[Snakeman1066]

I’d have to agree that Warmoth and Fender MIA are not comparable. Warmoth gives you many more options, roasted woods, and better quality in general.

agreed much better options....the rest opinion

 

[Snakeman1066]

I tend to agree with the OP. Makes perfect sense to have an option, but I'm convinced the only reason it because "custom" is to get a little more cash out of the buyer.

Someone commented that he's wasting time "whining" on TB. I disagree. I have to believe this is one of the best marketing info tools for all the manufacturers. If people don't think that all the manufactures have someone in R&D looking at bass forums to see what people think of new products, or desire in products for future production... I'd say you're misleading yourself...

OP... keep fighting the good fight... I may one day buy a production P-bass that doesn't have a neck that feels like a club (to me).

I mean seriously, there are people from Lakland, Mesa, Dingwall, MXR, Ampeg, Hartke, and a whole host of other companies on here that reply to threads on a regular basis...I find it hard to believe that someone from Fender doesn't do the same, or at the very least monitors these discussions

 

[bdplaid]

Not to mention re-sale on warmoth parts is terrible regardless of how ell they are or are not made

That's kind of true, which is a testament to the effectiveness of the fanboy mentality that surrounds Fender. Something that is demonstrably better, is somehow "worse," because it isn't a particular brand. Sheesh.

 

[mesaplayer83]

Fender's fret work out of the box and across all lines still sucks, unless it's CS.

That hasn't been my experience...

 

[Snakeman1066]

That hasn't been my experience...

I disagree as well, the fretwork on every MIJ I own was impeccable out of the box

 

[mesaplayer83]

Are you looking for the Fender to be MIM or USA? Personally I'd prefer MIM.

And FWIW, if you do it right, one can put together a bass FAR nicer than any USA Fender using Warmoth parts, for well under $1K. I've done it. And usually, they just bolt together and that's it.

But USACG parts are even better.

That's your opinion - I disagree...

 

[mesaplayer83]

I disagree as well, the fretwork on every MIJ I own was impeccable out of the box

Yeah, IIRC, he habitually bashes Fender with his *opinions*, but stated as if they were facts... Personally, I don't think he knows *** he's talking about...

 

[Picton]

I mean seriously, there are people from Lakland, Mesa, Dingwall, MXR, Ampeg, Hartke, and a whole host of other companies on here that reply to threads on a regular basis...I find it hard to believe that someone from Fender doesn't do the same, or at the very least monitors these discussions

I'm sure you're right; there is no company in the world that would disregard a resource like this.

But there are how many threads complaining about this? Five, maybe? Ten? And yes, you hear it cropping up in places on other threads, too, but the FAR more common refrain are the avalanche of FMIC fanboys who love the Pbass just fine, thanks, and who make it their business in nearly every thread to point out that Leo got it right the first time. I'd guess they're doing that math pretty effectively. After all, Fender isn't losing any sales to the OP; on the contrary. He's still buying not just one bass, but 1.5 basses. So why would they think that's a "problem" they need to "fix?"

For the record, OP, I hate Pbass nut widths too. But fortunately for me, I like J bodies more than you do.

 

[mesaplayer83]

That's kind of true, which is a testament to the effectiveness of the fanboy mentality that surrounds Fender. Something that is demonstrably better, is somehow "worse," because it isn't a particular brand. Sheesh.

Except that what you're *claiming* to be better isn't - at least according to sales figures/market shares... I do think it's cute how Fender bashers like you state their opinions as if they mean anything, though...

 

[xnewyorka]

5. You would be a little irritated too if after stating I want a FENDER p bass with a jazz neck why isn't this a standard option...and 200 yahoo's pop into the thread only to type "buy Warmoth" or "Go elsewhere" or "Build your own" or "Buy a P/J and don't use the J" which makes you realize they didn't read the thread at all

I cannot speak for others, but speaking for myself, I did not feel it was a useful use of my time to read all of this thread. I know it might come as somewhat of a disappointment, but not everyone reading the thread shares your same passion about the issue, nor may they all share your same degree of anger towards Fender for their product decisions.

On public forums like this, I generally divide threads into three broad categories:
a. Request for help or information, and follow up thereto
b. Proclamation of satisfaction or delight with a newly acquired product or technique, and follow up thereto
c. Misdirected personal complaint being aired publicly with no hope of fruitful outcome


Although I largely categorize this thread to be of the third type, it is still within my nature to try to help people to the extent possible, and I am lying in bed with the flu and feeling like I am inches from death, and I had nothing better to do with my time right now then see if I could find some way to help you with some aspect of your issue, which leads me to the next point...

7. I work Graveyard shift

Bingo!
Please trust me on this, you need to buy this thing and use it for about 15 or 20 minutes per day:

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Buy that or a sunbox or equivalent 10000K light designed to treat SAD.
All you have to do is sit in front of it and read your emails or read the newspaper or whatever you do at the breakfast table, and after two or three days, you will feel like a new man. I promise.
If it does not work for you, PM me and I will buy it from you for the full price paid plus shipping. I could use another one upstairs.

 

[Maxdusty]

80s Peavey Fury.....the neck is even thinner than a Jazz.....just sayin'

I'm loving my "P-Bass". It'll have a US Fender Pickup installed in it shortly. The neck really is thin and comfortable, best darn P Bass I've owned yet in terms of how it fits in my hands. Can't believe I only paid $100 for something this good.

 

[5StringBlues]

Dave Mason

 

[mesaplayer83]

I disagree as well, the fretwork on every MIJ I own was impeccable out of the box

As has pretty much every MIA Fender I've played that came out in the last 8-10 years, same with many of the MIMs, too...

 

[Snakeman1066]

I'm sure you're right; there is no company in the world that would disregard a resource like this.

But there are how many threads complaining about this? Five, maybe? Ten? And yes, you hear it cropping up in places on other threads, too, but the FAR more common refrain are the avalanche of FMIC fanboys who love the Pbass just fine, thanks, and who make it their business in nearly every thread to point out that Leo got it right the first time. I'd guess they're doing that math pretty effectively. After all, Fender isn't losing any sales to the OP; on the contrary. He's still buying not just one bass, but 1.5 basses. So why would they think that's a "problem" they need to "fix?"

For the record, OP, I hate Pbass nut widths too. But fortunately for me, I like J bodies more than you do.

I buying used and swapping parts and then selling off what is left over...so Fender isn't making anything off of me...In fact I have never bought new from Fender...only used....however if the made what I wanted I would buy new...so again they are missing the boat on this one

 

[micguy]

The downside to Warmoth is that their necks are heavy because they are rather stout.

If you get the steel rods, yes they can be heavy, but.....I have a few basses with roasted Warmoth P width necks with graphite rods in them. All those basses are under 7.5 pounds, and not a neck diver (or even close) in the bunch. The weights of all those necks are less than a mighty mite fretless neck I have (which has no reinforcements, is relatively skinny P neck, but uses regular (non roasted) maple). You can get light necks from Warmoth, you just have to order the right stuff. They're still stable as all get out.

Here's Tiger - all Warmoth wood, 6.7 pounds, balances perfectly. Yes, it's 34 inch scale.

 

[mesaplayer83]

I'm loving my "P-Bass". It'll have a US Fender Pickup installed in it shortly. The neck really is thin and comfortable, best darn P Bass I've owned yet in terms of how it fits in my hands. Can't believe I only paid $100 for something this good.

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I also have a USA Peavey Fury that I like, and is a good instrument - but it is not on par with my USA Fenders... I'm the opposite of the OP when it comes to necks, though - I actually prefer 1.65" at the nut necks as opposed to the much thinner neck of the Fury... but that isn't the only reason why it isn't on par with my USA Fenders - it just isn't as solid, nor as well made as the Fenders...

 

[Snakeman1066]

I'm sure you're right; there is no company in the world that would disregard a resource like this.

But there are how many threads complaining about this? Five, maybe? Ten? And yes, you hear it cropping up in places on other threads, too, but the FAR more common refrain are the avalanche of FMIC fanboys who love the Pbass just fine, thanks, and who make it their business in nearly every thread to point out that Leo got it right the first time. I'd guess they're doing that math pretty effectively. After all, Fender isn't losing any sales to the OP; on the contrary. He's still buying not just one bass, but 1.5 basses. So why would they think that's a "problem" they need to "fix?"

For the record, OP, I hate Pbass nut widths too. But fortunately for me, I like J bodies more than you do.

I like J bodies just fine It's the single Jazz pick-ups I don't like....

 

[Picton]

I buying used and swapping parts and then selling off what is left over...so Fender isn't making anything off of me...In fact I have never bought new from Fender only used....however if the made what I wanted I would buy new...so again they are missing the boat on this one

Okay, but you're still missing my point. They're losing your sale, and how many others?

How many?

You don't know, and maybe they don't either, but they're got market researchers who probably have a better guess than you or I do. I'd guess, again, that they've done the math and decided it's not cost-effective to do what you want them to because

1. There probably aren't really that many of you, and
2. There's already a fix for it.

Anyway. Good luck, OP. I hope you find what you seek.

 

[mesaplayer83]

I like J bodies just fine It's the single Jazz pick-ups I don't like....

Agreed there - I don't mind Jazz bodies, but prefer P bodies - but definitely prefer P pickups over Jazz pickups...

 

[Picton]

I like J bodies just fine It's the single Jazz pick-ups I don't like....

Oh! Then a router and a custom pickguard would've solved the problem even more comprehensively.