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Is James Jamerson the best?

There can be no "best."
But what I most love about Jamerson's playing is how absolutely grounded and centered he was. The bass sounds like a planet, with all the other instruments and the voices orbiting around it. Very, very few musicians have ever had that authority. It has to do with his sound and time, for sure, but to me it has almost a "spiritual" component, similar to what you hear with people like John Coltrane and Jimi Hendrix.
 
I had my ipod on shuffle this morning and the Jackson 5 came on with Jamerson on bass, and i though to myself this guy is the best bassist of all time. No question for me. I can listen to him more than Pastorius (who i love) or McCartney or anyone you care to mention. His bass lines are perfect.
 
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Jamerson is one of my all time favorite bass players but I've been on a real Jamerson kick lately I've been reading about him a lot and I just watched that documentary on the Funk Brothers again this week. I was curious as to what everyone else thought about this question. Is James Jamerson the most influential electric bassist of all time? I know that there are a ton of great bassists out there and I appreciate them all but I've been thinking that if you get down to brass taxes, Jamerson was a real pioneer of the electric bass. I think that just about everything that has come since has built on his style. Any thoughts? Just interested to hear what others think of this.

Does a bear **** in the woods???;)
 
"he was tossed a chord chart and improvised those lines, in one take,"

Please don't fool yourself in to thinking those lines and recordings were done in 'one take'. A few maybe, but most of those tunes were labored over for many hours and many, many takes.
Motown was known for using different singers and musicians on many takes till it was sculptured into the hits they became.

Not too many hours according to The Funk Brothers themselves.
 
How was he out in uncharted waters? I don't really understand this. Jamerson was an awesome groove player, but so where a lot of upright players. So he did it on electric? Okay, that is to his credit. And of course he brought his own voice to the instrument, just like everyone does, but I think folks give him way more credit for "inventing" things that he didn't invent. As evidence, my next quote...

Not at all. James got his start on upright, playing jazz just like a thousand cats around him, and they played way more than roots and arpegios. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Jamerson took a lot of theory and knowledge that a bunch of other cats also had and applied it to electric. They brough jazz, soul and gospel to the table and out came Motown. But it's not like he was doing things musically that no one else had ever done when he played a non-chord tone. This is the kind of praise of Jamerson that I think is unfounded. Listen to some old James Brown. There's a lot of chromaticism in the bass playing, albeit on an upright. But it's super funky, rhythmic, and all the other things that Jamerson did on electric.

Jamerson helped define Motown and through that influence players for decades to come, and that's credit enough I think. I don't want it to seem like I'm slamming the guy cause I have a huge amount of respect for him. But when people make out like no one was playing bass before Jamerson, it just just feels like a slam to all the other players to me.

And like has been said here, he picked up the instrument (electric) when it was new, and many upright players didn't think it was worth anyone's time. He deserves a ton of credit for having the guts to do it anyway, and that really helps contribute to his lengendary status, which I readily think he deserves.


Couldn't disagree with that more. Actually developing a unique voice is damned hard. Most people don't have the imagination/work ethic to do that.

Nobody was playing bass like Jamerson in the non-Jazz context back then. Jazz guys weren't playing over those type of Pop arrangements. Busier players did eventually pop up but the note choices and timing bore little if any resemblence to JJ. If anything most people simply overplayed when they tried to mimic him. They really didn't get what he was doing.

I'm old enough to actually remember what people were playing before Jamerson and I don't think it's a stretch to say that when he hit the scene he was without peer. Most bass playing back then was very static... you had a bassline and you basically stuck to it. I'm a big James Brown fan so I'm curious what early recordings you're referring to?
 
Everyone is influenced by someone, so who influenced Jamerson? Shouldn't that person then be the best? What about the person before that?

And someone else said in this thread that no bass players played with feeling before Jamerson. That's crazy talk. Keep in mind the cultural and technological things that were happening right about the time Jamerson came along. Don't get me wrong. He was great and deserves his place, but he is also fortunate to have been at the right place at the right moment in time in a lot of ways. To suggest that music would be stuck and not have progressed if it weren't for Jamerson is a bit much IMO. Someone else would have come along....someone else always does. Might have made things go differently no doubt, but who's to say that some different path might not have been just as cool and exciting?


Nope. That's simply not how it works.
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Generally speaking, if one person is influenced by multiple people and incorporates those traits and then builds on it, you could end up with someone who can do what all of those people did, all rolled into one. And no, that doesn't make that person better either. Who knows?

You have to look at the individuals in question.
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I had my ipod on shuffle this morning and the Jackson 5 came on with Jamerson on bass, and i though to myself this guy is the best bassist of all time. No question for me. I can listen to him more than Pastorius (who i love) or McCartney or anyone you care to mention. His bass lines are perfect.


Depends... that might not have been Jamerson.
 
Certainly influential! Pretty much defined the Motown sound. Definitely not the best playing technique but acheived more than the average player with only one plucking finger. Babbitt was just as good, IMHO, although no doubt influenced partly by Jamerson. Jamerson played on more records but Babbitt surely would have held his own!

That being said, history is what it is! I love Jamerson's melodic playing style and use some of it in my own playing. When I play Motown, I try to stay true to the original bassline.
 
I know who Willie is but am not a blues fan. I was wondering if you would suggest a couple of tunes that he played on that you think best demonstrates his abilities as a bass player.
i have the album i am the blues.....good place to start.....dixon was a well respected session guy and a lot of guys used him to record....i'm not so sure he would have been the best choice for motown.....jamerson had a fairly extensive catalog of non motown sessions.....i'm not sure jj would have been the best fit for the who or led zep,but he was an accomplished player who could probably hang with anyone
 
i have the album i am the blues.....good place to start.....dixon was a well respected session guy and a lot of guys used him to record....i'm not so sure he would have been the best choice for motown.....jamerson had a fairly extensive catalog of non motown sessions.....i'm not sure jj would have been the best fit for the who or led zep,but he was an accomplished player who could probably hang with anyone

The "I Am The Blues" album is late in Willie Dixon's career....he used other Bassist at that time,I don't think it's Willie Dixon playing Bass on that one. The best place to hear him is the 1950's Chess recordings. Willie was a great Bassist,but miles away from James Jamerson.
 
Certainly influential! Pretty much defined the Motown sound. Definitely not the best playing technique but acheived more than the average player with only one plucking finger. Babbitt was just as good, IMHO, although no doubt influenced partly by Jamerson. Jamerson played on more records but Babbitt surely would have held his own!

That being said, history is what it is! I love Jamerson's melodic playing style and use some of it in my own playing. When I play Motown, I try to stay true to the original bassline.


I love Babbitt but I doubt even he would think of himself on the same level as Jamerson. IMO you really need to look at who did what first. Even better, if you're old enough to remember bassplaying pre-Jamerson, look at it in that context. Really explore the nuance of what he was doing. Babbitt was a straight up beast back in the day (I just heard "Scorpio" again at a restaurant a couple of days ago:D) but at best he was the next best thing to a Jamerson. Not quite the original.

Jamerson not only defined the Motown sound, he set the bar for many bassists in other genres too. High.
 
"he was tossed a chord chart and improvised those lines, in one take,"

Please don't fool yourself in to thinking those lines and recordings were done in 'one take'. A few maybe, but most of those tunes were labored over for many hours and many, many takes.
Motown was known for using different singers and musicians on many takes till it was sculptured into the hits they became.


He was also famous for playing multiple equally great lines for a given song, at will and without much fuss, and in one take. The guy was insanely inventive and had a fluency and and range of expression that is still so impressive to me.
 

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