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Is there such a thing as a considerate smoker?

I've considered vaping, but I don't personally think the cost/benefit works out for me. The nicorette inhalers are a lot like vaping, in that there's no burning and no smoke, but the inhalers are also a lot cheaper, don't require batteries, and refill cartridges can be purchased from any drugstore, as opposed to having to be ordered online.

As for burying, I ask you in complete earnestness, what's a better idea? I bury them so that various small animals don't try to eat them. I could pack them out, yes, but I've actually been told by a couple of park rangers that it's not a good idea, due to the possibility of my trash bag igniting in my backpack. (I do a lot of multi-day hiking trips - not a lot of garbage cans or ashtrays available.)

Seriously, if you have a better alternative, please do let me know!
It really depends on your gear and what kind of room you have. The couple of smokers that I used to hike with took an extra, small-ish water bottle with them. It'd be about 1/3 full of water and they'd just drop the butts into it when they were done. One of them had it figured out to how many packs will fit in X oz container, but I haven't talked to him in ages, let alone being able to recall what that worked out to be.
Instead, what we also sometimes did - if we had a fire, they'd simply burn the butts. We generally made fire every night, so they'd just keep their butts throughout the day and the toss them in once the fire's going.
I'm sure there's other means to it... those are just ones I have personal experience with.
In b4 DON'T SMOKE YOU DIRTY FILTHY SMOKER!!
:rolleyes:
 
Who are really the inconsiderate ones here?,...the offenders or the offended.

A non-smoker doesn't wanna smell my smoke?

Well I don't wanna listen to a non-smoker bitch about my smoke.

Sounds like an impasse to me.

I actually avoid smoking in public places (same with inside my house and inside my car),....not for any other reason then once the habit goes outside of the casual smoke on the porch at home; (IE smoking at work,...while walking around town) then it turns into a 2 pack a day addiciton.

I definitely don't avoid it because I'm trying to be considerate to a pansy public,....I could give a crap that people are so sensitive an easily offended.

If you're the type that is easily offended by cigarette smoke,....why? A wiff of second hand smoke isn't gonna give you lung cancer. Constant exposure might give you cancer,...but if someone lights up down wind of you,....is that constant exposure? Are your so sensitive that you can't endure 30 seconds of unpleasantness (same with farts) or do you just want an excuse to feel entitled or superior over a smoker? Get over yourselves.

If you think you're incredibly sensitive to cigarette smoke,...I'd submit that the air pollution that you breath in on a daily basis is just as bad; if not worse, as accidentally ingesting a puff of SHS. (Especially if you live in large cities cough LA cough cough). I'd submit that maybe you've been conditioned by a fear mongering media to separate yourself from yet one more group of people. Hey,...we all need someone to hate right,...and it's not socially acceptable to be bigoted or homophobic anymore,...so let's go after smokers now. (I DON'T CONDONE BIGOTRY OR HOMOPHOBIA)

We all have to deal with unpleasantness of some sort over the course of our days. Some of us just know how to deal with it. While I've never encountered any sort of intolerance from a non-smoker,...if I did,...I'd probably just ignore them or tell them to go find some sand and pound it.

Again,...who are the inconsiderate ones?

I definitely consider myself an affable person,...but not when people think their **** don't stink.
 
Warwick.hoy... for myself, I really only call it "inconsiderate" when it impacts me over a long length of time. I.e. working next to a smoker (who may not smoke inside, but constantly reeks of it - would you not "mind" if I didn't shower and stunk up the place?), playing a gig in a bar, smoking outside my apartment etc. Someone walking past me or walking in and out of a building only bothers me 1) if they litter, 2) if they're blatantly ignoring placards ("no smoking within xx feet of entrance" etc.) or 3) otherwise being an idiot.
 
Sheesh, cars...gum...farts...the sound of people complaining...bigotry and homophobia...I'm starting to think nicotine also causes people to make bad analogies.
 
For me, I tend to smoke through force of habit but it's kept very out the way, during periods of abstinence I'm all too well aware of the difference. I consider it a ****ing curse tbh but that's me, I was more than happy to see the smoking ban come in I do confess.
 
Warwick.hoy... for myself, I really only call it "inconsiderate" when it impacts me over a long length of time. I.e. working next to a smoker (who may not smoke inside, but constantly reeks of it - would you not "mind" if I didn't shower and stunk up the place?), playing a gig in a bar, smoking outside my apartment etc. Someone walking past me or walking in and out of a building only bothers me 1) if they litter, 2) if they're blatantly ignoring placards ("no smoking within xx feet of entrance" etc.) or 3) otherwise being an idiot.

In a professional/office type setting I can get behind that,...but part of professionalism; to me at least, means not taking smoke breaks at work. Take your entitled break,...but go sit in the break room and have a snack. If I were white collar and had to constantly meet with superiors,....customers,...counterparts or had to be in close proximity to co-workers whomever,....as part of my job and as part being professional I wouldn't want to reek of cigarette smoke.

I don't expect everyone to have that type of work ethic,...but that's what I would do. I've never had a white collar type job however.

When it's something like a kitchen job, construction job, or whatever blue collar job where you get stinky, smelly and messy anyway,...smoke away,...BUT,...if you are a food service worker,...wash you're damn hands,....it's a hygiene thing and part of the health code anyway.

RE: Showering. I'm not easily offended by body odor. In a white collar setting is not bathing professional? No,...but I also don't buy into consuming mass amounts of health and beauty products. Soap and shampoo,...seriously,...most people smell fine if they just shower with any kind of regularity. In fact,...I'd rather smell someone that just smoked rather than someone that is bathed in Old Spice and Stetson.

I can definitely identify with off putting smells, too much perfume,...too much cologne,....whatever causes your nose to burn momentarily,....but when it's just incidental contact with strangers on the street; it's such a temporary inconvenience that it's barely worth raising a fuss over.

I can also get behind the littering part,...both at home and while on hikes. If I go hiking I'll squeeze the tobacco out and bring home a pocket full of butts and throw them in the trash. The tobacco ought to be biodegradable (I buy cigarettes that are additive free). The filters not so much (although I believe they are all cotton,...no fiberglass etc etc etc).
 
This thread really makes me wonder if there are large group of people out there who don't know what the word "considerate" means.

Oh I know what it means,...but I submit that it could be considered equally inconsiderate for a non-smoker to be rude to smoker for lighting up.

If I smoke and you have the balls to say something to me about it I have the balls to not give a crap. That's not being considerate,...but IDGAF.

As far as the bigotry and homophobia,...I'm just saying. We live in a divided society (classes/races/religions/sexual orientation; might as well wedge issue smoking) and it's the propaganda machines' job to keep up with which lines need to be drawn and to keep people on either side of those lines.

That's not an analogy,...that's just my perspective on how things work in our culture.
 
Sheesh, cars...gum...farts...the sound of people complaining...bigotry and homophobia...I'm starting to think nicotine also causes people to make bad analogies.

Why bad? The most common complaints are either (a) "it smells bad", or (b) "it's unhealthy for me (or mine) to breathe this." Both completely legitimate, but also possibly hypocritical.

For (b), is there really that big a difference in the effects of someone lighting up outdoors (for pleasure) and someone driving to see a movie (for pleasure)? The driver is going to dump way more carcinogens into the air than the smoker that he condemns. Just because it's less visible and more socially acceptable doesn't mean it's any less harmful.

For (a), there's a million things that don't harm me but I still dislike - other people's farts (mine, of course, smell fine ;) ), loud obnoxious people, several shades of the colour blue, the neighbours playing bad techno at 4am, and (now I'm a non-smoker) the smell of stale cigarette smoke.

I suppose my point is that the social acceptability of things doesn't properly match up with the actual damage or offense caused. It feels more that smokers are receiving more negative attention than other people who do similar amounts of harm, which is bound to cause resentment and a feeling that they are expected to meet standards of "consideration" that those making the demand don't make of themselves. Which is, of course, both inconsiderate and hypocritical.

As to the meaning of "consideration" ... does it mean that someone is expected to modify their behaviour so that it has no effect on others, or does it mean that they are only expected to modify their behaviour so that it has no more effect on others than a generally accepted level? IOW, if a smoker does the normal stuff of smoking outside or in places where they're explicitly permitted to do so, not blowing it in other people's faces, all that ... I don't see them as any less considerate than the average person, it's just that the spotlight is on that particular set of behaviours.
 
Oh I know what it means,...but I submit that it could be considered equally inconsiderate for a non-smoker to be rude to smoker for lighting up.

So are postulating whether its possible for an inconsiderate non-smoker to exist?

Seems like a fairly moot argument to me.


If I smoke and you have the balls to say something to me about it I have the balls to not give a crap. That's not being considerate,...but IDGAF.

At least readers know what side of the ledger to put you on! :D

As far as the bigotry and homophobia,...I'm just saying. We live in a divided society (classes/races/religions/sexual orientation; might as well wedge issue smoking) and it's the propaganda machines' job to keep up with which lines need to be drawn and to keep people on either side of those lines.

That's not an analogy,...that's just my perspective on how things work in our culture.

I don't think considerate / inconsiderate is quite the divisive line you make it out to be. I'm inconsiderate when I press the close door button on the elevator when I know someone is coming. People are inconisderate all the time. Its not that bigger deal.
 
...think I'm gonna steer clear of this mess...


...but hey, Fluffy and Ray, thanks for the Pro Tips! I am literally amazed I didn't think of some kind of metal or water-filled container. (I would invest in rolling supplies, but then again, I am trying to cut down...) I did think of burning 'em, but a lot of the parks I hike discourage campfires on the trails, and I'm sort of wary of the filters hanging around in the firepit to impart a nice chemically flavour into somebody's trout.

(Note to the non-smokers who might be confused by that last bit; most of us do not smoke filters. We consider that to be in bad taste, literally and figuratively.)
 
So are postulating whether its possible for an inconsiderate non-smoker to exist?

Seems like a fairly moot argument to me.

How so?



At least readers know what side of the ledger to put you on! :D

fair enough,...but FWIW the only complaining I've ever heard is from my wife (who is a non-smoker) and by virtue of us being married,....I tolerate her complaints and do what I can to minimize the impact (wash hands, brush teeth etc etc). I don't smoke under bus shelters (I'll smoke in the rain) as that's what is expected of me from the transit authority.

I find the out of the way places to light up,....if someone comes up to me and gives me a bunch of crap for smoking,...who's being inconsiderate to who?

I don't think considerate / inconsiderate is quite the divisive line you make it out to be. I'm inconsiderate when I press the close door button on the elevator when I know someone is coming. People are inconisderate all the time. Its not that bigger deal.

*inconsiderate :D

I agree. Obviously this thread isn't about non-smokers who are inconsiderate though,...so my bad for derailing,...but I didn't think it warranted a new thread titled,..."Is There Such a Thing as a Considerate Non-Smoker". ;)

Look; I know it's coming off as such; but I'm not trying to be inflammatory. There are a number of different perspectives here,...I'm just trying to show a smoker's (which may be beating a dead horse,...I haven't read this whole thread).

I've said it before; people who are too easily offended need to worry less about what others are doing and worry about the stank on their own asses.
 
(I would invest in rolling supplies, but then again, I am trying to cut down...)

You might find that rolling your own helps cut down. My experience was that having that extra step there that involves actual "work" stops you just grabbing one from the pack without thinking. It definitely saves money, but get the good tobacco (was Drum every time for me) if you can, the really cheap stuff is disgusting.

edit: FWIW, the chemical part of my exit strategy was 1 month 4mg gum, 1 month 2mg gum, 1 month regular chewing gum, 1 month carrot sticks
 
You might find that rolling your own helps cut down. My experience was that having that extra step there that involves actual "work" stops you just grabbing one from the pack without thinking. It definitely saves money, but get the good tobacco (was Drum every time for me) if you can, the really cheap stuff is disgusting.

I liked Bali Shag when I was rolling. I could also get a hold of some good Peter Stokkebye products in bulk at a local tobacco shop,...but tax hikes have made those products a little less cost effective.

TOP is terrible. Drum was good enough for me in a pinch.
 
I liked Bali Shag when I was rolling. I could also get a hold of some good Peter Stokkebye products in bulk at a local tobacco shop,...but tax hikes have made those products a little less cost effective.

TOP is terrible. Drum was good enough for me in a pinch.

Bali Shag is a little moister than Drum, which can tend to be a little too dry unless you can find a fresh pack. Either worked for me, but I found Bali Shag a little "thicker" tasting than I liked. But yes, has to be the fine cut stuff. The coarser cut brands like Bugler are awful to roll with.
 

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