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Is there such a thing as a considerate smoker?

#201
I remember pickin up a packs of top cause I was broke and it was all I could afford. Now, friggin top costs as much as a regular pack of cigarettes!

Rolling is a great skill to have though, I can count hundreds of times bein in a pinch and having nobody else around who could roll. Then came S/M to the rescue!!! double paper cones, double paper cones with a cross, double wide paper cigars, you name, I'll roll it. My crowning achievement was a double paper cone, with 2 crosses, topped off with a single paper cone cap, all rolled with king sized zig-zags. Needed 5 lighters to get it going, but it smoked like a dream...:bassist:

Wouldn't suggest it with tobacco though...:hiding:
 
#203
CrispyDelicious said:
Smoking has been banned in pubs and restaurants for several years now in Ontario. While there was an initial outcry, there hasn't been a peep about loss of business. Bars are still packed, and everything is the same, except smokers smoke outside/on the patio/in smoking rooms and you can actually breathe indoors. The difference is spectacular.
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I have 2 friends that own bars here, their business dropped off significantly post-smoking bans in virginia. They had to spend a lot of money to keep up.

It doesn't even matter, it's their business and their property, keep your propaganda machines out of it. If you don't like the smell go somewhere else, just like if a smoker wants to smoke in a non-smoking place he/she has to go somewhere else.

Not that many anti-smoking lobbyists know what they are speaking of anyways. Is anyone even aware of the meta-analysis surrounding these anti-smoking ads? Or the OSHA PEL levels and comprable studies for true SHS risk? It doesn't matter, one person with an MD says something and pharmaceutical companies make tons of money off anti-smoking, and develop a powerful lobby themselves (far bigger than tobacco actually), they get what they want. Fear-mongering, propaganda, control, and money.
 
#205
dbhokie said:
Not that many anti-smoking lobbyists know what they are speaking of anyways. Is anyone even aware of the meta-analysis surrounding these anti-smoking ads? Or the OSHA PEL levels and comprable studies for true SHS risk? It doesn't matter, one person with an MD says something and pharmaceutical companies make tons of money off anti-smoking, and develop a powerful lobby themselves (far bigger than tobacco actually), they get what they want. Fear-mongering, propaganda, control, and money.
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As I read the paragraph, I came to the understanding that, in the end, you know what you are speaking of, isn't it?
 
#206
Meh, consider me what you will, but Im going to just keep on keeping on, man.

I dont smoke cigarettes in my home, I keep an ashtray by my front door as I have friends come over who smoke. Sometimes I'll join them on the patio. I keep another ashtray on the patio. If I was bothering someone nearby and they made mention Id find another way.

If Im driving alone I might have a cigarette (rarely) and I'll smoke with my window down. I keep the butt in a cupholder until Im somewhere I can dispose of it properly. If a nonsmoker is in my car i wont even consider lighting up. If Im driving with smokers I'll let them smoke in my car so long as they roll the window down, but not if a nonsmoker is in the car and has an issue with it. Most people are polite enough to ask first.

If I'm walking in public I might smoke, but I dont flick my butts on the ground. I'll hold them until I find a proper means of disposal. Yes, I'll flick my ash on the ground.

Even though smoking is banned indoors here there are a few bars that let people do so anyways, Im not one of them. I'll take it outside regardless, and smoke in a designated place, not near any entrances. I wont blow smoke in anyones direction, not even other smokers.

I couldnt really care less whether people think of my smoking as inconsiderate or not. Strangely, Ive never had people give me a hard time other than tell me that smoking is not good for me, which I am well aware of.
 
#208
Hawaii Islander said:
The filters are biodegradable now. You are being very nit picky. :)
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Can you source that? I just did a few google searches (quickly) and the only thing that popped up was the usual "news" that they take on average 12 years to break apart (which is not decomposition) and that in 2005 an European company was trying to develop a starch based filter.
Even if it does degrade, that doesn't make it right to litter. Just because it may degrade, the "junk" that they're filtering out from your lungs is now instead being disposed of directly into soil. Awesome. :rolleyes:
 
#211
Ray Salamon said:
Can you source that? I just did a few google searches (quickly) and the only thing that popped up was the usual "news" that they take on average 12 years to break apart (which is not decomposition) and that in 2005 an European company was trying to develop a starch based filter.
Even if it does degrade, that doesn't make it right to litter. Just because it may degrade, the "junk" that they're filtering out from your lungs is now instead being disposed of directly into soil. Awesome. :rolleyes:
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Biodegradable filters are used today and they take days to degrade, not years. DEGRADABLE CIGARETTE FILTERS - Patent application
 
#213
Ray Salamon said:
Having a patent doesn't mean that they are actually USING that.

Edit:
The P.M. website doesn't even state that they're using biodegradable filters here:
Cigarette Butt Litter Prevention - Philip Morris USA

I'm not going to put more effort into defending the wrong side (IMO) of this argument.
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You asked for a source and I gave a source. Believe what you want. It wasn't my intention to change your opinion, just enlighten you a little. ;)
 
#214
Hawaii Islander said:
You asked for a source and I gave a source. Believe what you want. It wasn't my intention to change your opinion, just enlighten you a little. ;)
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I wanted a source that filters are now biodegradable, per your post:
Hawaii Islander said:
The filters are biodegradable now.
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which you haven't sourced beyond a patent for a means of doing that (which, as pointed out, doesn't mean they are in fact biodegradable, just that someone holds a patent on a method that they could be).
 
#215
As far as the OP is concerned, I say yes there is such a thing as a considerate smoker, the kind you don't really notice, that's the idea. But if it suffices to blanket sweep all smokers with a similar level of inconsideration I suppose it's easier, if you want to see it that way.
 
#216
Ray Salamon said:
I wanted a source that filters are now biodegradable, per your post:


which you haven't sourced beyond a patent for a means of doing that (which, as pointed out, doesn't mean they are in fact biodegradable, just that someone holds a patent on a method that they could be).
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Camel and a number Native American brands use a cotton based filter that degrades usually between 30 to 90 days or so where I live. In drier climates it would take longer possibly up to 3 years in the desert environment.

As far as not burying your cigarette butts, most saved cigarette butts that are properly discarded in the trash end up buried in landfills or burned in incinerators. Burying the butts creates no greater harm to the environment than properly disposing in the trash collection system.

Improper disposal of cigarette butts is a problem as they can be ingested by wildlife, or end up in our waterways where the effects of leachates may impact aquatic life forms.
 
#217
Hawaii Islander said:
Camel and a number Native American brands use a cotton based filter that degrades usually between 30 to 90 days or so where I live. In drier climates it would take longer possibly up to 3 years in the desert environment.

As far as not burying your cigarette butts, most saved cigarette butts that are properly discarded in the trash end up buried in landfills or burned in incinerators. Burying the butts creates no greater harm to the environment than properly disposing in the trash collection system.

Improper disposal of cigarette butts is a problem as they can be ingested by wildlife, or end up in our waterways where the effects of leachates may impact aquatic life forms.
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I was wondering how long it'd take for that to be brought up. That is a whole other can of worms, though, IMO. Even still, there IS a lot of difference between going into a landfill versus just being put haphazardly into the ground by individuals.
 

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