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Is there such a thing as a considerate smoker?

#101
::::BASSIST:::: said:
To me the question comes down to freedom and rights. The smoker wants the freedom and right to smoke. The non-smoker wants the freedom and right not to be in its vicinity. The two things cannot co-exist. In my opinion the person performing the action, be it an addiction or not, is infracting on the other persons' rights and freedom to not breath in the smoke.

Though there may be a few smokers who are considerate I'd bet big that they are in the vast minority.
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I don't believe conscientious smokers are in the minority. All my buddies who smoke are aware that not everyone likes it, and like me, try to avoid those situations (I smoke to relax for a sec, not to get myself in arguments) But I also believe that some non-smokers have a giant chip on their shoulders in relation to smokers, and take it personally. If your gonna confine smokers to certain areas, don't get upset if you go on their turf and catch a whiff. Most of the country is now non-indoor smoking. I understand this, and I agree, it can be distracting/uncomfortable/nauseating. But I think the way people treat people smoking outside is just ridiculous, and at this point, you can just get over yourselves. We aren't hurting a d@mn thing.
 
#102
If they have a designated smoking area away from entrances that is a great solution. However, its those MANY inconsiderate smokers who smoke right under the no smoking sign at the entrance, who help make things difficult for smokers. It drives me nuts. For example at the mall near my house there are benches placed far from the entrance with ashtrays for people to smoke their brains out and while some do go to the proper area I'd say at least half just congregate near the entrance producing those noxious fumes. This is not just happening once in a while. I see it there all the time. Heck, I have to walk through it almost every week. Its not just teenagers either, but all ages.

While this is not directed to anyone on TB, until those kinds of smokers acknowledge and respect non-smokers rights not to breathe their crap, I will not "just get over myself" but will be very vocal and be as much as a pain in the ass to smokers as possible. As you can probably tell this issue of inconsideration really grinds my gears. :)
 
#105
ShredderMaximus said:
I don't believe conscientious smokers are in the minority. All my buddies who smoke are aware that not everyone likes it, and like me, try to avoid those situations (I smoke to relax for a sec, not to get myself in arguments) But I also believe that some non-smokers have a giant chip on their shoulders in relation to smokers, and take it personally. If your gonna confine smokers to certain areas, don't get upset if you go on their turf and catch a whiff. Most of the country is now non-indoor smoking. I understand this, and I agree, it can be distracting/uncomfortable/nauseating. But I think the way people treat people smoking outside is just ridiculous, and at this point, you can just get over yourselves. We aren't hurting a d@mn thing.
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I've witnessed that situation a number of times. I still sit in the designated smoking areas outside to have a cup of coffee even though I no longer smoke. Some non-smoking individuals come to the designated smoking area and start coughing and making snide remarks. What part of designated smoking area do those individuals not understand? I know many more non-smokers who are not abusive than those who are. I am in the view that inconsiderate people are in the minority overall.
 
#106
sandmangeck said:
Do you guys consider it inconsiderate to drive a vehicle where people are breathing? Those fumes are just as toxic. and 10/1 you are all guilty.
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There are a lot more cars than smokers too. Each car gives off more carcinogens than an individual smoker as well. It would be interesting to compare emissions from one vehicle during the course of 8 hours of driving compared to a pack of cigarettes. I think people would be shocked.
 
#108
sandmangeck said:
Do you guys consider it inconsiderate to drive a vehicle where people are breathing? Those fumes are just as toxic. and 10/1 you are all guilty.
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But are they sticking their tailpipes in the entrances of public places?

Also most cars, if not all cars, built in the last 15 years or so do not have the same level of noxious fumes as they once did.
 
#111
::::BASSIST:::: said:
But are they sticking their tailpipes in the entrances of public places?

Also most cars, if not all cars, built in the last 15 years or so do not have the same level of noxious fumes as they once did.
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Get in an enclosed space with a new vehicle running. I don't think you would last any longer than with the older smelly ones. They are just as deadly.

Edit: All tailpipes of running vehicles are stuck in public places once they leave the driveway.
 
#112
Hawaii Islander said:
Get in an enclosed space with a new vehicle running. I don't think you would last any longer than with the older smelly ones. They are just as deadly.

Edit: All tailpipes of running vehicles are stuck in public places once they leave the driveway.
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True that, on the same street where a smoker would get hassled for smoking, could be a mile long traffic jam without a word being said.
 
#113
Smokers, they spread foul smells and distribute toxins.
But, man, that car exhaust sure dose stink too and it spreads harmful compounds into the air as well, get rid of 'em. Use public transportation, thats what its there for, use it.
I say outlaw cigarettes, they kill people and have a negative impact on the lives of those around the people who use them, just like alcohol. Heath complications from drinking costs too much money and drunk drivers kill too many people, and dont forget the negative impact that those who cant use alcohol in a considerate manner has on those around them, its about time we ban the alcohol too. Clearly the restrictions in place aren't working.
But the health care costs of smokers is out of control, no two ways around it, almost as bad as fat people. Round 'em up and tax 'em by the pound. Mandatory fat camps. And dont get me started on the elderly, do you have any idea how much is spent on treating the ailments of older people, we gotta do something about the old eatin up health care dollars.
Using tobacco is a poor life choice like using sugary snacks, fatty foods, and caffeine...some one has gotta do something about these doughnut and coffee shops before it gets outta hand. Why aren't fast food restaurants abolished yet? We need to realize its as bad as smoking.
We need to educate the kids about the dangers of smoking, drugs, alcohol, obesity and other poor life choices. Get them while they're young and give them something better to do...just not sports, do you realize how many injuries are caused by sports?
Considerate smokers? No, I say its beyond not being considerate, it needs to be criminalized.

Personal responsibility?, no thanks man. If we cant get some of the people to make responsible choices then its up to the rest of us to make them for them...police them, make laws, and force the populous to make the right choices in life. Its for the best.
 
#116
spade2you said:
Sometimes drunken woo girls carry the same risks...and crabs.
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I wasn't talking bout one race. Also, any one could have crabs, it isn't limited to Asians. Some of the Nam veterans know what I'm talking about. No disrespect intended. Most of the men in my family have been in the military including 2 of my uncles, one of which died from the cancer caused by Agent Orange. From what I've heard, he was the bravest Marine in his platoon. Annnny waaaayssss. Can't crabs be "cured" ? I mean, they're parasites. They can be killed.
 
#117
Eric Albany said:
I wasn't talking bout one race. Also, any one could have crabs, it isn't limited to Asians. Some of the Nam veterans know what I'm talking about. No disrespect intended. Most of the men in my family have been in the military including 2 of my uncles, one of which died from the cancer caused by Agent Orange. From what I've heard, he was the bravest Marine in his platoon. Annnny waaaayssss. Can't crabs be "cured" ? I mean, they're parasites. They can be killed.
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You're taking this thread -way- too far OT... and not even in a funny or meaningful way.
 

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