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Double Bass Is this bass a real deal?

I, for one, know very little about basses that, for instance, farmers built over the winter period in the Baltic area in bygone years. Nevertheless, I stand by what I said in my post#9 above, and I do have experience with similar produce from the Tyrolean/Balkan area (which appeared to be of far superior built quality - but pictures can possibly be deceiving).

Of course if you come to an international forum like TB with an non-standard instrument like this, you should expect some shooting from the hip. And maybe it would be nice to comply with customary practice, for instance on the language, or alternatively just use a PM.

For those still interested, below a computer 'translation' of post#20 above:

"
Hello.I noticed perskeles just that has perhaps kotomaan bomb that pikkubasso.

Bass, I do not know little of the, but at least pohjanmaalla is the last at the turn of the century and before the second world war had more viulunrakentajia which so far is quite agree with what the partners in this kursailematonta bassossa.

It is not any front-puhdetyökään quite excluded not, but then virityskoneisto is a newer change, the origin must have been sellotapein, under

Fretboard is certainly replaced, of that there can be no doubt if bass is any more than a few decades older. Affect eebeniltä approximately images alone, and not risk getting cut or finished otelaudan not from Finland managed before 80century. At least not at prices that I want to say on instrument was

That cannot be as first Kirkkobassohan I proposed, Finland has not, as far as I know such säestysinstrumenttia not well known. If not correct guitars Urkuharmoonilla vedeltiin been able to afford.

If the current owner/seller not side of bass, or can certainly not a century devoted a prove age (which I am sure that grid price up) e.g. vanhoin through photography, veikkaisin photos either 70-80 harjoitustyöksi chapter, or old selloon later as done bass modaukseksi.

No the above site is not, of course, to say that music box/bass playing kivasti could, and all kinds can be found only by trial and error Metallikielet are, however, totally false, and if bass is an old one, pärähtää paskaksi under konserttivirityksessä unit of time.

Those which I mentioned earlier Jenkkilässä kirkkobassoja jonkinverran apparently moves, so the price, but if chain bass is indeed demonstrably old in Finland of instrument is price/value määritteleminn almost impossible. Sisustusesineenäkin value can have a significant right-hand the buyer is excited about.A valuable in any case.

If, on the other hand, it is originally from Russia or Baltic tulleesa player, the price is something that it's not. I understand that there direction such players have done a great deal centuries.

Which is, incidentally, scale/mensuuri in pictures, really a small bassoksi?
"
 
For those still interested, below a computer 'translation' of post#20 above:

"
Hello.I noticed perskeles just that has perhaps kotomaan bomb that pikkubasso.

Bass, I do not know little of the, but at least pohjanmaalla is the last at the turn of the century and before the second world war had more viulunrakentajia which so far is quite agree with what the partners in this kursailematonta bassossa.

It is not any front-puhdetyökään quite excluded not, but then virityskoneisto is a newer change, the origin must have been sellotapein, under

Fretboard is certainly replaced, of that there can be no doubt if bass is any more than a few decades older. Affect eebeniltä approximately images alone, and not risk getting cut or finished otelaudan not from Finland managed before 80century. At least not at prices that I want to say on instrument was

That cannot be as first Kirkkobassohan I proposed, Finland has not, as far as I know such säestysinstrumenttia not well known. If not correct guitars Urkuharmoonilla vedeltiin been able to afford.

If the current owner/seller not side of bass, or can certainly not a century devoted a prove age (which I am sure that grid price up) e.g. vanhoin through photography, veikkaisin photos either 70-80 harjoitustyöksi chapter, or old selloon later as done bass modaukseksi.

No the above site is not, of course, to say that music box/bass playing kivasti could, and all kinds can be found only by trial and error Metallikielet are, however, totally false, and if bass is an old one, pärähtää paskaksi under konserttivirityksessä unit of time.

Those which I mentioned earlier Jenkkilässä kirkkobassoja jonkinverran apparently moves, so the price, but if chain bass is indeed demonstrably old in Finland of instrument is price/value määritteleminn almost impossible. Sisustusesineenäkin value can have a significant right-hand the buyer is excited about.A valuable in any case.

If, on the other hand, it is originally from Russia or Baltic tulleesa player, the price is something that it's not. I understand that there direction such players have done a great deal centuries.

Which is, incidentally, scale/mensuuri in pictures, really a small bassoksi?
"

:bassist:

Something's definitely gotten lost in translation :D.

I haven't noticed, nor even expected anyone to take much notice to my babblings here on the dark side, or on the side of light for that matter, and for a good reason. My love of CCB's & BSO's has landed me on several DB ignore lists I'm sure.
The fact that I'm not a supporting member, makes me an eqvivalent of a leper on both sides it also seems. Not that I'd mind :).

Us Finns make up a minuscule portion of TB, 0,01% or less I'd guess, so any time there's a question of a native issue that can be answered more directly in our native language, I do.

As do the French, Spanish, Germans, Italians, not to mention countless other native speakers when replying to their countrymen /-women on occasion. I haven't seen anyone getting their nickers in a twist about 'em doing that though ;).
Now don't get me wrong, I really appreciate You noticing my post and taking the time to "translate" it, thank You.

If someone REALLY likes/needs to know what all that rambling was, give me a holler and I promise to write it in english.

Regards
Sam
 
I'm now dying to find an opportunity to use kursailematonta bassossa in a sentence somewhere on this kursailematonta. :hyper:

#tbird: I found the custom here on talkbass is that we only use our own language in pm's or on occasion in a thread that's completely dedicated to our own language group. Besides: I have noticed your posts before and I'm interested in what you have to say about this bass.
 
Hi.

Ole hyvä ja kirjoita viestisi Englanti. :)

:) I'll do that.

Due to the completely different grammar and me using the everyday language in the op, it ain't word for word translation, but I hope the message will get through.



"Hi.

Damn, I just noticed that this little bass just might be a home-turf made.

I don't know that very many basses would had been made, but at least in the Finnish Flatlands there's been a few violin makers in the turn of the previous century and after the WW2 who have pretty similar kind of "Devil-May-Care" finishing touch.

These said creations are semi-wanted, mainly because of their cultural value and relative rarity and they're wanted as decoration, but for serious playing they are not quite suitable for.
In other words, "Gypsy-fiddles" mainly. (VSO's if You wish ;))
Those have been offered to me as well, but I haven't bought a single one, even though I hoard almost anything else.


An item made in the frontline between the battles isn't completely out of the question either, but then the tuners are an later addition, the originals have brobably been cello-like conical tuning pegs, for obvious reasons.

The fingerboard has been replaced, there's no question about that if the bass is more than a few decades old. Looks like ebenholz by the pics, and it would've been virtually impossible to get such a piece or a pre-fab FB in Finland before 80's. Not to a price that would've justified it ending into an instrument like that anyway.

Obviously it can't be a church bass as I previously suggested, such an accompaniement instrument hasn't been known in Finland, at least as far as I know.
They wailed along with reed organs if they couldn't aford pipe-organs.

If the current owner/seller hasn't owned the bass for half a century, or can't positively prove it's age (which he probably uses to hike the price up) with old photographs for example, by the pics I'd guess it's a practice piece from 70's or 80's, or a bass mod performed onto an old cello.

Nothing above doesn't obviously mean that this cello/bass couldn't have a nice sound, but that can be found only by playing it. In my opinion the metal strings are completely incorrect ones though, and if the bass is really an old one, it can burst into kindlings if it's in a concert tuning.

In US those church basses I mentioned earlier are somewhat common, so the price reflects to that, but if the bass in question can be proven to be an old instrument that was actually made in Finland, it's virtually impossible to appraise its price/value. Even as a decoration piece it's value can be significant if the right buyer is found.
Valuable in any case.

On the other hand, if it's an instrument that has originally come from Russia or from the baltic countries, the price is entirely something else. As far as I know, they have been building that kind of instruments in that region by great numbers over the last few centuries

BTW, what's the scale/mensur, looks like it's very small for a bass?

Regards
Samuli"
 
Hello

I would recommend that you let an experienced luthier check out the bass, if the sound of the bass is good . In Helsinki I can recommend Guy How Invalid Link Removed

I've also seen the seller's ad in Invalid Link Removed
He is asking 2400e for it and if you decide to buy it, it can be very difficult to resell it later on. Especially with this oddity. In Finland the market is very small.

Greetings from Helsinki
 
Hi.

Hello

I would recommend that you let an experienced luthier check out the bass, if the sound of the bass is good . In Helsinki I can recommend Guy How Invalid Link Removed

I've also seen the seller's ad in Invalid Link Removed
He is asking 2400e for it and if you decide to buy it, it can be very difficult to resell it later on. Especially with this oddity.

Greetings from Helsinki

Thanks for the muusikoiden.net link Babajo.

For a price-tag like that I'm sure he has some authentication papers about the instrument and it's professionally appraised, and he's willing to have it appraised again by the person the buyer chooses.

In Finland the market is very small.

Well, it's still way larger than anywhere else for this particular instrument ;). The "Flatlands violins" I talked about earlier fetch about 1K€ at best AFAIK, so 2.4K isn't THAT far off. IMHO anyway.

Then again, it's more than likely that the instrument isn't in its original condition so most of the cultural and historical value is obviously and unfortunately lost.

I do admit that I was very intrigued by the bass at first, even enough to drive somewhere to play it, but the price tag changed all that.


Regards
Sam