Is this the laziest generation?

[Quickie]

I just wanted to close in on that part. I don't think there are any more sickos in the world now than they have been in the past, just we have global media now.

Decades past, you wouldn't be aware of anything other than massive news, outside of your own area. Now we hear about what happens all over the world, doesn't mean it is happening more often, just that people are more aware.

"Over the years there has been sharp increase in the cases of crime against women and children involving rape, attempted rape, molestation, child abuse and trafficking."

Crime against women and children have risen considerably

"The Department of Health and Human Services released a survey estimating that child abuse and neglect in the United States nearly doubled during the seven years between 1986 and 1993."

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[i_got_a_mohawk]

Talk about a lazy response.

 

[Quickie]

Talk about a lazy response.

Naw...I took the time to research it.

 

[Quickie]

Sorry, but you can't get Social Security disability for alcoholism or substance addiction if the abuse is material to the impairment.

Why is Drug and Alcohol Abuse Considered a Disability?
Clinicians and researchers commonly divide drug and alcohol consumption into three levels or stages of use: use, abuse, and dependence. While the use of drugs and alcohol does not generally rise to the level of an impairment that constitutes a disability, abuse and dependence do. Drug and alcohol abuse is characterized by intensified, regular, sporadically heavy, or "binge" use, and dependence is characterized by compulsive or addictive use.

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[jmattbassplaya]

"Over the years there has been sharp increase in the cases of crime against women and children involving rape, attempted rape, molestation, child abuse and trafficking."

Crime against women and children have risen considerably

"The Department of Health and Human Services released a survey estimating that child abuse and neglect in the United States nearly doubled during the seven years between 1986 and 1993."

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Doubt it. It's probably just being reported more.

 

[Quickie]

Doubt it. It's probably just being reported more.

That's fine. I just provide the information. I also did a search on the growing populous of child molesters, but felt the link redundant.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

That's fine. I just provide the information. I also did a search on the growing populous of child molesters, but felt the link redundant.

Well the information you've provided is lacking in substance. The child abuse one has no statistics reported post 1993, and your woman abuse one only focuses on one town and doesn't account for any reason why reports might be up.

 

[Quickie]

Well the information you've provided is lacking in substance. The child abuse one has no statistics reported post 1993, and your woman abuse one only focuses on one town and doesn't account for any reason why reports might be up.

Well then, do your own research. Simple. Or are you to lazy? The game of "prove it" is boring. Link after link can be provided and there will always be skeptics or those who pick apart the information.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Doubt it. It's probably just being reported more.

+1

Which is why I wasn't for posting "hard stats", because they don't show the entire picture.

Even these days, the number of rapes (for instance) that are reported, are still estimated to be a small proportion of the total incidents.

The number of reported cases (any) increasing, can mean a few things:

-The number of indicents are increasing and a higher proportion are being reported.
-The number of indicents are increasing but the same proportion is being reported.
-The number of incidents are staying the same but a higher proportion are being reported.
-The number of incidents are decreasing and a higher proportion are being reported.

(posts to news websites for "quality" data is also pretty poor )

 

[Quickie]

+1

Which is why I wasn't for posting "hard stats", because they don't show the entire picture.

Even these days, the number of rapes (for instance) that are reported, are still estimated to be a small proportion of the total incidents.

The number of reported cases (any) increasing, can mean a few things:

-The number of indicents are increasing and a higher proportion are being reported.
-The number of indicents are increasing but the same proportion is being reported.
-The number of incidents are staying the same but a higher proportion are being reported.
-The number of incidents are decreasing and a higher proportion are being reported.

(posts to news websites for "quality" data is also pretty poor )

Like I said. And this post proves it.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

I'm just posting to say 'nope' and 'hell yeah' because I'm too lazy to read the whole thread.

 

[thumpbass1]

Sheesh.... He is on disability. The state doctors who examined him put him in the hospital. He was there for 6 months. He was treated by the state. We visited him in a State institution. This is not debatable. This is fact.

I'm not denying he's on disability, or went through treatment, or put himself and others close to him through the hell brought about by his addiction. I'm also not commenting about if he's still an active addict or not. The changes made to Social Security Disability law made back in the 90's are specific about asking if addiction is material or immaterial to a claim of disability. If it is determined that an alcoholic or addict would be able to find some sort of work if they ceased using, then their claim will be denied. If they have an underlying disability that still remains even if they were clean and sober, or has nothing to do with their addictions, then they have a chance for getting disability. That determination is usually made by an ALJ judge following the guidelines they use at a claimants hearing.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Like I said. And this post proves it.

Research of what?

Inadequet social studies? That is hardly research.

But if you'd rather take the easy way out . . .

Go outside and have a smoke you quitter

 

[Quickie]

I'm not denying he's on disability, or went through treatment, or put himself and others close to him through the hell brought about by his addiction. I'm also not commenting about if he's still an active addict or not. The changes made to Social Security Disability law made back in the 90's are specific about asking if addiction is material or immaterial to a claim of disability. If it is determined that an alcoholic or addict would be able to find some sort of work if they ceased using, then their claim will be denied. If they have an underlying disability that still remains even if they were clean and sober, or has nothing to do with their addictions, then they have a chance for getting disability. That determination is usually made by an ALJ judge following the guidelines they use at a claimants hearing.

Thump. Drug abuse, alcoholism use are reasons for disability. Pretty simple. They are diseases. The link I posted clearly states this.

Many disabilities are "self inflicted". Mine is a triple fusion on my back. With your argument, I would be denied a claim because I did the injury to myself from mis using my lifting abilities.

 

[Quickie]

Research of what?

Inadequet social studies? That is hardly research.

But if you'd rather take the easy way out . . .

Go outside and have a smoke you quitter

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Read on my friend.....read on.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

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Read on my friend.....read on.

We were talking about not letting kids out because of the sickos, and I stated that I didn't think there were more than there have been in the past:

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Seems that the reported numbers have been on the decline. But they do speculate that it not be the entire story. Which, seems to have been what I was saying before

(increasing child abuse, due to neglect is caused by terrible parents more so than your kid being abducted or fiddled with by a stranger while they are out playing).

One of the other papers also agrees with what I was saying previously in:
'Attempted and Completed Incidents of Stranger-Perpetrated Child Sexual Abuse and Abduction.' [I will add that I don't have access to that journal so cannot read the full article]

"Only a minority of incidents were reported to the police (33.3%)."

Which is why I was saying that with reporting stats that low, you struggle to gain the reality of what is going on, especially when you don't have a good estimate on the suspected percentage of reported incidents in previous reports.

However, this has somewhat derailed the thread and may be material worth discussion in a topic of it's own.

 

[Quickie]

We were talking about not letting kids out because of the sickos, and I stated that I didn't think there were more than there have been in the past:

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Seems that the reported numbers have been on the decline. But they do speculate that it not be the entire story. Which, seems to have been what I was saying before

(increasing child abuse, due to neglect is caused by terrible parents more so than your kid being abducted or fiddled with by a stranger while they are out playing).

One of the other papers also agrees with what I was saying previously in:
'Attempted and Completed Incidents of Stranger-Perpetrated Child Sexual Abuse and Abduction.' [I will add that I don't have access to that journal so cannot read the full article]

"Only a minority of incidents were reported to the police (33.3%)."

Which is why I was saying that with reporting stats that low, you struggle to gain the reality of what is going on, especially when you don't have a good estimate on the suspected percentage of reported incidents in previous reports.

However, this has somewhat derailed the thread and may be material worth discussion in a topic of it's own.

I give up.

 

[Popbumper]

I give up.

Probably a good idea. Trying to convince people of anything on the internet is not really effective. It's not a question of siding with or against anyone, I'm just saying that it's a moot point to argue your beliefs. There's really no winning, regardless of how much "data" you have.

Chris

 

[MatticusMania]

Thump. Drug abuse, alcoholism use are reasons for disability. Pretty simple. They are diseases. The link I posted clearly states this.

Not quite. I abuse drugs and alcohol, but I cant get disability because of it.

 

[thumpbass1]

Thump. Drug abuse, alcoholism use are reasons for disability. Pretty simple. They are diseases. The link I posted clearly states this.

Many disabilities are "self inflicted". Mine is a triple fusion on my back. With your argument, I would be denied a claim because I did the injury to myself from mis using my lifting abilities.

Quickie, your argument has nothing to do with the current laws and guidelines regarding Social Security Disability and who may qualify or not. Alcoholism and drug addiction used to be regarded as a disabling condition if a claimant met the older certain standards, but when Congress passed the 'Contract With America' package back in the 90's the guidelines changed. I didn't rewrite the current guidelines and laws, but the question of addiction being material or immaterial to a claim is now the current legal standard.

I think the medical disease model of addiction is valid, but the Social Security Administration, and it's commissioners and administrative law judges follow particular guidelines that they now have in place. It doesn't matter if you or I agree with them or not. With that said, being an alcoholic or drug addict does not automatically preclude them from getting disability benefits, but their disability has to meet the new guidelines and standards.