I agree. Can't say when, for sure. Most likely once enough people willing to do something about it get fed up. Might be time to break up the Union.
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Is this the laziest generation?
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I agree. Can't say when, for sure. Most likely once enough people willing to do something about it get fed up. Might be time to break up the Union.
Not the most concise, but this is an internet forum. But yeah, I agree with your assessment here.
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Your post makes me have an unquenching desire to enjoy a delicious Crystal Pepsi.
Sorry, but you can't get Social Security disability for alcoholism or substance addiction if the abuse is material to the impairment. Congress changed the laws back in the 90's. The only way an alcoholic or drug addict could get SSI is if their disability would still remain even if they were sober and clean, and even then that's a long shot.
Also 70 to 80 per cent of SSI claim applications are denied. Those who get it right away are truly disabled and the rest of the truly disabled who were rejected and get it, usually have to hire a lawyer and get a hearing before an Admistrative Law Judge. Even having legal representation is no guarantee of getting SSI. I'm weary of hearing myths about SSI and those who get it. On another note, I am inspired by those disabled persons you've helped to find gainful employment.
I don't doubt what you say is true at all. The person I am specifically remembering was from the late 80's early 90's. I wasn't aware they made the change and am glad you cleared up my inadvertent misinformation.
As for my job. I love it. I mean that truly. I was at Intel ( Folsom ) for a good long time and while it afforded me the toys I enjoy so much, it was killing me. I have 3 kids, two have disabilities. It seemed a natural progression to me. I went to school, got my masters and joined the rehabilitative services field. I would, and will, never do anything outside of this field. It's where my heart is. I am one of the very lucky few that wakes up eager to head to work.
If ya live in this area I'd be happy to show you around our little slice of heaven
Wrong. My cousin was/is a heroin addict. He "hears voices" and most doctors say he burned himself out with the drugs....he is on total full disability for a irreversible mental condition. He takes meds for it...and when he stops...he starts hearing the voices.
He was once rushed to the ER for blood poisoning from a needle site that had become festered. He is a great looking guy with a good personality....I am related to him through my wife and have known him since before he abused himself.
Such a terrible waste.
To get back to your post, I know a couple people who worked themselves into mental breaks that are now on full and total disability. The rules ALWAYS have exceptions.
I don't doubt what you say is true at all. The person I am specifically remembering was from the late 80's early 90's. I wasn't aware they made the change and am glad you cleared up my inadvertent misinformation.
As for my job. I love it. I mean that truly. I was at Intel ( Folsom ) for a good long time and while it afforded me the toys I enjoy so much, it was killing me. I have 3 kids, two have disabilities. It seemed a natural progression to me. I went to school, got my masters and joined the rehabilitative services field. I would, and will, never do anything outside of this field. It's where my heart is. I am one of the very lucky few that wakes up eager to head to work.
If ya live in this area I'd be happy to show you around our little slice of heaven
Sounds like you are doing a very good work indeed. Thanks for the invite, but I doubt if if I'll be in your neck of the woods anytime soon. The next time this Nebraska boy heads west, it'll be northward to see relatives in Seattle.
I can't be sure what generation we're talking about anymore, but let me break it down. I'm 23, and work about 12 hours a day (or more) as a sailor in the US Navy. I work hard for my money and have even before the military. Prior to the Navy, I was a chef in a restaurant making even less and sometimes longer hours. I'm not alone either, so if you're labeling my generation lazy, you're looking in the wrong places.
My take on the subject, FWIW. The whole of mankind has, ever since the beginning, been impulsively driven to "make life easy". Machines and technology have BURIED some very rudimentary and fundamental "tasks" that were once commonplace, tedious, and undesireable. Ever mowed your lawn with a manual mower? Ever edged with hand clippers or a hatchet? Ever been on a roof adjusting a TV antenna? Shoveled snow? Canned your own vegetables/preserves? Who the heck hand washes their own car anymore? The reason that "generations", as it were, are perceived as "more lazy", is because every new generation has something LESS to do to get along - and are HAPPY to NOT have to do it!!
While I was growing up, my Dad fixed EVERYTHING. Why? We lived in an 800 sq ft, three bedroom, single story house, four boys and parents, two blocks from the railroad tracks. We had LITTLE money. My Dad changed the clutch, fixed the mower, did gardening, fixed small appliances, worked on the car, built cabinets, built a porch on the back of the house, built a shed in the yard, dug post holes and built a fence, painted his car (along with doing bodywork), installed a gas lamp in the front yard, built flower boxes, built bunkbeds, laid carpet, remodeled the bathroom, hung wallpaper, changed toilets, installed a shower, etc.etc.. I LEARNED this from him - and as an adult, do WHATEVER I CAN in my own home. I have fixed the washer, fixed the dryer, fixed our A/C control system after a lightning storm, fixed my big screen TV, fixed the toilet, fixed our kitchen sink, installed a microwave, etc. Yes, I am gainfully employed and can afford to have these things done. Why should I PAY when I can do it myself? Because I SHOULD.
And, this propensity towards laziness is fueled by the conveniences that allow for laziness. With 24 hour TV, the internet, PS3, IPODs, and school programs that have eliminated PHYS ED, there are SOO many distractions! Yup, why climb a tree? Why ride a bike? Why learn to ski? Why play an instrument? Why learn to fish? Aside from the fact that kids are not SAFE anymore to go outside and ride bikes all hours until the sun goes down because of the sickos, why go outside and exert yourself at all? Rubbish! When you can sit in front of a big screen and do ALL OF THESE THINGS as a simulation, in the safety and comfort and cleanliness of your home, why? They are LAZY, they gain weight, and then the liberal media tells everyone to point a finger at the fast food companies. I call BS. If it looks like a duck....
Coming full circle, the whole of humankind wants to be lazy. We have done it to ourselves. Many today ALLOW their children to be lazy so that they don't have to "SUFFER" like they did. And, kids learn it's OK. They learn it's good. They learn to love comfort and convenience. And then, they enter their adult lives completely and utterly unequipped for anything - unless they have a fat bank account. Sad.
Am I against technology and convenience? Not at all. But if children are GIVEN a life of ease, and are taught nothing about self-sustainance, they'll gain little more than a raw sense of dissatisfaction and helplessness when they are TRULY faced with situations that REQUIRE initiative, creativity, imagination, fortitude, strength. You know, LIFE.
Is THIS the laziest generation? Maybe....
Chris
While I was growing up, my Dad fixed EVERYTHING. Why? We lived in an 800 sq ft, three bedroom, single story house, four boys and parents, two blocks from the railroad tracks. We had LITTLE money. My Dad changed the clutch, fixed the mower, did gardening, fixed small appliances, worked on the car, built cabinets, built a porch on the back of the house, built a shed in the yard, dug post holes and built a fence, painted his car (along with doing bodywork), installed a gas lamp in the front yard, built flower boxes, built bunkbeds, laid carpet, remodeled the bathroom, hung wallpaper, changed toilets, installed a shower, etc.etc.. I LEARNED this from him - and as an adult, do WHATEVER I CAN in my own home. I have fixed the washer, fixed the dryer, fixed our A/C control system after a lightning storm, fixed my big screen TV, fixed the toilet, fixed our kitchen sink, installed a microwave, etc. Yes, I am gainfully employed and can afford to have these things done. Why should I PAY when I can do it myself? Because I SHOULD.
And, this propensity towards laziness is fueled by the conveniences that allow for laziness. With 24 hour TV, the internet, PS3, IPODs, and school programs that have eliminated PHYS ED, there are SOO many distractions! Yup, why climb a tree? Why ride a bike? Why learn to ski? Why play an instrument? Why learn to fish? Aside from the fact that kids are not SAFE anymore to go outside and ride bikes all hours until the sun goes down because of the sickos, why go outside and exert yourself at all? Rubbish! When you can sit in front of a big screen and do ALL OF THESE THINGS as a simulation, in the safety and comfort and cleanliness of your home, why? They are LAZY, they gain weight, and then the liberal media tells everyone to point a finger at the fast food companies. I call BS. If it looks like a duck....
Coming full circle, the whole of humankind wants to be lazy. We have done it to ourselves. Many today ALLOW their children to be lazy so that they don't have to "SUFFER" like they did. And, kids learn it's OK. They learn it's good. They learn to love comfort and convenience. And then, they enter their adult lives completely and utterly unequipped for anything - unless they have a fat bank account. Sad.
Am I against technology and convenience? Not at all. But if children are GIVEN a life of ease, and are taught nothing about self-sustainance, they'll gain little more than a raw sense of dissatisfaction and helplessness when they are TRULY faced with situations that REQUIRE initiative, creativity, imagination, fortitude, strength. You know, LIFE.
Is THIS the laziest generation? Maybe....
Chris
Sorry but you are wrong on this. His mental condition now exists regardless of his using or not using. It is an irreversible condition at this point, and thus his addiction becomes immaterial. He would not have gotten SSI if it could be established that his underlying impairment would improve or go into remission upon ceasing his drug use. The same rules would apply to an active alcoholic who develops an underlying impairment leading to disability, even if caused by alcohol, that has progressed to where it becomes permanent and irreversible, and not drinking, or drinking, is no longer material to their case. Not being able to work because ones abuses alcohol or drugs, in and of itself, does not qualify as a disability any longer as it did in the past. It's the legal question of if substance abuse is material or not material to a disability these days.
Sheesh.... He is on disability. The state doctors who examined him put him in the hospital. He was there for 6 months. He was treated by the state. We visited him in a State institution. This is not debatable. This is fact.
I just wanted to close in on that part. I don't think there are any more sickos in the world now than they have been in the past, just we have global media now.
Decades past, you wouldn't be aware of anything other than massive news, outside of your own area. Now we hear about what happens all over the world, doesn't mean it is happening more often, just that people are more aware.
