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Double Bass ischell c1, c2 or c3

BiigM

BiigM

Nov 11, 2007
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I am thinking of trying an Ishell. i have the wilson pickup which is great but not that acoustic sounding. I also have the B-stat, that sounds more acoustic but installation is fiddly and i dont really trust it.
So i was thinking about trying the ischell, hoping for a more natural sound and then blending in the wilson if i get to the point of feedback. I'm primarily an electric player so I dont draw as much sound from the bass as "real" upright players.

so two questions really: will the Ishell be worth the try, and if yes which model?

Thanks :-)
 
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You have to consider the bass, amp, cab, and pickup a system. My impression is the Ishcell is a good choice if you have a good sound bass. It's one of the more accurate and mic-like pickups, so it will normally be very faithful to the sound of your bass.

However, if your bass has strong resonances in the body, it may be better to stick with some sort of bridge mounted pickup. As you turn up the gain, a feedback loop forms acoustically between the bass, amp, cab, and pickup. As the gain goes higher, the resonances are emphasized and degrade the tone.

The last bass I played professionally was very resonant as it was designed to be an acoustic cannon. It was not a great choice for amplification, especially with a pickup that mounted to body of the instrument.
 
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Maybe i should have clarified. I'm a professionel bassplayer, but my first instrument is electric. So I'm not gonna have the acoustic sound of say Christian Mcbride, but i do get a full tone, and i have an ok bass (E. Wilfer). Just need it to be more truthfull to the bass than the wilson alone.
Anyway from the answers it sounds like c3 is the way to go. I have a headway that can do provide Phantom and blend in the wilson if needed.
 
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bassically_eli said:
What do you plan on using to blend them? Both will need phantom power, right?
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My secret weapon:

Gollihur Series Bass Acoustic Array Pro Amplification (Exclusive)

You could also use a 2 channel pre-amp with phantom power, such as an EDB-2 or similar. I really enjoy having an all-in-one solution with my 2 channel 'Genzlihur' Amp. I've been using it almost exclusively for several years (I bought the very first one: serial number 0000). It sounds great, goes on a speaker pole and only weights 30 lbs.
 
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rickwolff said:
My secret weapon:

Gollihur Series Bass Acoustic Array Pro Amplification (Exclusive)

You could also use a 2 channel pre-amp with phantom power, such as an EDB-2 or similar. I really enjoy having an all-in-one solution with my 2 channel 'Genzlihur' Amp. I've been using it almost exclusively for several years (I bought the very first one: serial number 0000). It sounds great, goes on a speaker pole and only weights 30 lbs.
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Oh right, I forgot you had that. I've see it in your videos. It looks like an awesome amp, but I would really only ever be interested in the preamp or head if they sold it separately. I'm spoiled by a couple of MAS cabs and an Audiokinesis TC112.

I'm not sure that the Headway would work with that combo. It only has one balanced input with 48V. The 1/4" input has something kind of odd like 11V iirc. I'm not sure if either of the Ischell devices will work with that for anyone else interested.

I have a Zoom A3 that's great for blending a mic with a pickup, but I need another mic preamp or phantom power supply to blend two condensers. I also have an LR Baggs Mixpro, which provides 9V over two unbalanced connections, but that doesn't always work with every mic either.
 
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bassically_eli said:
Oh right, I forgot you had that. I've see it in your videos. It looks like an awesome amp, but I would really only ever be interested in the preamp or head if they sold it separately. I'm spoiled by a couple of MAS cabs and an Audiokinesis TC112.

I'm not sure that the Headway would work with that combo. It only has one balanced input with 48V. The 1/4" input has something kind of odd like 11V iirc. I'm not sure if either of the Ischell devices will work with that for anyone else interested.

I have a Zoom A3 that's great for blending a mic with a pickup, but I need another mic preamp or phantom power supply to blend two condensers. I also have an LR Baggs Mixpro, which provides 9V over two unbalanced connections, but that doesn't always work with every mic either.
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Eli,
With great cabinets like you have, they go a long way to getting you a great sound. My advice, (pun intended) save your pennies and get a Grace Felix. Just my take I know they are a expensive. Before I got my MAS 1/8s I used the Grace, a Monique M700 Power Amp, and the TC 112. It was breathtaking on big gigs
 
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bassically_eli said:
Oh right, I forgot you had that. I've see it in your videos. It looks like an awesome amp, but I would really only ever be interested in the preamp or head if they sold it separately. I'm spoiled by a couple of MAS cabs and an Audiokinesis TC112.

I'm not sure that the Headway would work with that combo. It only has one balanced input with 48V. The 1/4" input has something kind of odd like 11V iirc. I'm not sure if either of the Ischell devices will work with that for anyone else interested.

I have a Zoom A3 that's great for blending a mic with a pickup, but I need another mic preamp or phantom power supply to blend two condensers. I also have an LR Baggs Mixpro, which provides 9V over two unbalanced connections, but that doesn't always work with every mic either.
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DOH !! (slaps forehead).
You're absolutely right.

I'm going to suggest to Jeff Genzler that he consider offering that as a separate or removable head.

I have also used it to amplify my bass AND the singers mic. That's really it's origin as the first Genzler Acoustic Pro amp is aimed at the singer/songwriter musician. Thanks to Mark Gollihur who suggested to Jeff to offer it with a bass driver. Hence the 'Genzlihur' (my name for it) which is a Gollihur exclusive and my favorite amp for DB
 
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