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It is so easy to ruin your life.

#41
MJ5150 said:
This will turn into a temporary insanity plea and she'll spend some time in a psychiatric ward, then be sent off once the state "fixes" her.

-Mike
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That wont happen. The main reason being she tried to make the crime she committed look like it was done by some one other than herself. And she pretended to be a victim as well..
 
#42
Eric Perry said:
This.
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6jase5 said:
I personally find her useless to society and see no reason to spend taxpayers' money keeping her housed, clothed and fed, assuming that she did indeed commit the violent crime as stated.

Not trying to start a debate, just my personal thought evoked from reading this story and many others like it.
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And for you Perry...

<<<and see no reason to spend taxpayers' money keeping her housed, clothed and fed>>>

It is proven over and over again, it costs much more to the taxpayer to put someone to death, than it does to house them in prison for life. I did a long research paper on this topic.
 
#43
I'd have to agree with the "this wasn't easy".
Beating someone to death - taking 20 minutes to do so - that's not easy.
Marvin Gaye's father shooting him - that was "easy". Poor impulse control, and all you can say is "Oh god no!" after the fact.
But beating someone for 20 minutes - you have a few opportunities to stop and think.
 
#44
Dr. Cheese said:
I said I don't know the woman. I do know every felon, even killers, is not a monster. Please don't try to turn that into some sort of sympathy.
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Please tell me where I tried to do this. It is a dissenting opinion based on my personal values and beliefs. I never said, or implied, that you were sympathetic.

I believe that a person who has too much to drink and gets behind the wheel and takes a life is a felon, but I would not call them a monster. They used poor judgment and committed a terrible act for which they deserve to be punished, but that doesn't mean I would automatically call them a monster. However, someone who can beat another human being in such a way that hardened policemen refer to the amount of violence inflicted as "shocking" is, IMO, a monster.
 
#46
Double Agent said:
Please tell me where I tried to do this. It is a dissenting opinion based on my personal values and beliefs. I never said, or implied, that you were sympathetic.

I believe that a person who has too much to drink and gets behind the wheel and takes a life is a felon, but I would not call them a monster. They used poor judgment and committed a terrible act for which they deserve to be punished, but that doesn't mean I would automatically call them a monster. However, someone who can beat another human being in such a way that hardened policemen refer to the amount of violence inflicted as "shocking" is, IMO, a monster.
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If you didn't say it, I wasn't talking about you.:)
 
#48
Dr. Cheese said:
I looked at my original post and nowhere did I say that I felt sorry got the suspect, yet many keep saying that I do. I said a life was taken and that another was wasted due to bad decisions. Some of you are clearly bringing baggage to this thread that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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I can't get my arms around this whole "bad decisions" thing. Yes, I guess it was a bad decision. It's almost like it's just a fluke ... you know, "Oh, I just made a bad decision." It just doesn't sound as serious as, "Oh, I just brutally bludgeoned another human being to death."

It has the faint smell of political correctness to it.
 
#51
Munjibunga said:
I can't get my arms around this whole "bad decisions" thing. Yes, I guess it was a bad decision. It's almost like it's just a fluke ... you know, "Oh, I just made a bad decision." It just doesn't sound as serious as, "Oh, I just brutally bludgeoned another human being to death."

It has the faint smell of political correctness to it.
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Of course it does. It is TBOT's feel-good thread of the day!
 
#52
One hit to the co-worker = impulse.
20 minutes of beating resulting in so many hits they could not be counted? = Not impulse.

Really? Not a single thought of "Oh god, I'm in the middle of doing something I'll regret" while beating her coworker senseless and to death?

The only reason it costs so much to execute someone is the infinite appeals, and feel-goodery of society. A firing squad of 5 guys, earning some salary plus the cost of bullets = under a thousand bucks, tops. Voila - lots of money saved for the taxpayer.
 
#56
hbarcat said:
For the vast majority of adults it is an easy decision. For someone who has been drinking booze for many years it might seem justifiable.

I certainly don't excuse his behavior. He made the decision to drink so much that he became an alcoholic and it destroyed his ability to act rationally or to consider that his actions might harm others. Others may disagree with this opinion and might have sympathy for him with the opinion that no one chooses to become an alcoholic.

Still others will say that being addicted to alcohol has no bearing on his decision to have sex with a 14 year old.

I will say that it was a very disturbing phone call I got from him out of the blue, after he had been arrested but before his trial. I hadn't heard from him for years but he called me to see if I was still his friend. He was crying uncontrollably because he said he knew he had ruined his life and was going to be sent to prison. None of his former friends, or even his family, would speak to him. I had no idea what to say. I told him I'd see what happened at the trial and I'd get back to him - but I never did.
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I'm not judging you, but I think that your friend needed you to be a friend at that time. He knew he screwed up horribly, and you knew it, but I think he needed someone to recognize that he was still human. He was just a human who did a terrible thing that he was going to have to pay for dearly.

I guess I took my Sunday School too seriously.:) I believe that no matter how badly we mess up, we are all due a measure of forgiveness and understanding, even if what we have done is so bad that it cannot go unpunished.
 
#59
Imo she obviously snapped and became what can only described as psychotic. I'd imagine the law department would have checked out the medical reports for any previous history first thing. This is way out of the bounds of any normality, that situation triggered something mercurial.
 
#60
Dr. Cheese said:
I'm not judging you, but I think that your friend needed you to be a friend at that time. He knew he screwed up horribly, and you knew it, but I think he needed someone to recognize that he was still human. He was just a human who did a terrible thing that he was going to have to pay for dearly.

I guess I took my Sunday School too seriously.:) I believe that no matter how badly we mess up, we are all due a measure of forgiveness and understanding, even if what we have done is so bad that it cannot go unpunished.
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I guess we're different in that respect. If my very best friend in the world called and told me he had just molested a child, my response would be something like, "Now, who is this again?" Clearly, we never would have been friends in the first place if I had known he had those tendencies.
 

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