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I've no knowledge of music theory, so....
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dude, im not kissin anyones hind parts here, or even going off on you, but these are two men who definatly rate respect imo. Fuqwad and Durrl
, have probably forgotten more about theory than most people here could ever hope to learn. They should be shown a bit of respect just based on the knowledge they posses. I dont know them well at all, but I respect them because they definatly know their stuff. And since this is a bass guitar site, should'nt we show some degree of respect for those that are much wiser than ourselves?
NEWWAVEBASSER,
A bit of clarification here: when I called you NEWAGEFISHERMAN, I meant no personal disrespect...mutilating usernames on purpose is a game around here, a fact which most people understand - even if not all participate in it. An unwritten rule of the "name game" is that anyone who does not wish to have their name messed with need only say so, and no more messing will be done. So, I apologize for assuming that you wanted to be included in the game, when clearly you do not. That's cool - your name will be NEWWAVEBASSER forevermore as far as I'm concerned.
I respect each and every person on this board as a human being. However, this basic human respect extends only to the human beings in question and not to their opinions. And I'd like to make it abundantly clear that while I respect your right to hold a particular opinion, that DOESN'T mean that I have to respect or accept that particular opinion (which you clearly have a right to hold). As an example, I have ABSOLUTELY NO respect for the notion that learning more about the technical aspect of your craft can in any way HINDER you as a bassplayer or as a musician. IN MY OPINION, this idea is pure unmitigated crap, and I have every bit as much right to hold and state this opinion as you have to hold yours. And I do, when the situation presents itself. Like now.
It's good that you're trying to get better as a bassist - you should always do that. I haven't heard you play, so I'll take you at your word that you're doing okay. That's all good. I don't normally like to toot my own horn, but I got my first DB about 2 1/2 years ago at age 35, and while I feel like I'm doing okay, I also know that I have a lot to learn, and I try to do so whenever I find the opportunity...and I usually store and access the things I learn as theoretical knowledge. If you like, you can check out my soundclip at the bottom of this post and decide for yourself if any of the music theory that I hold so dear is doing me any good or not, or whether it prevents me from playing with feeling. If you feel that theory is hindering my playing, feel free to post your opinions on the subject while ripping me up and down. I'll respect your right to that opinion as well.
And by the way, I'm NOT the moderator of this forum...I'm one of the DB mods. And I was not disrespecting you, I was disagreeing with the content of one of your posts because I feel that posting things of that nature in a forum called General Instruction is quite counterproductive unless the opinion is debated. I teach music for a living, and IN MY EXPERIENCE, this idea that seems to be floating around in certain circles that studying theory is going to suck the feeling out of your playing and make you a LESSER player is so ridiculous as to be laughable....TO ME, it's like saying that studying anatomy will make you a LESS efficient doctor - for some reason, I find that funny. But then, I always had a slightly warped sense of humor.
One more thing which my warped sense of humor has gotten tickled by - the fact that you actually emailed a complaint to THE BIG CHEESE himself because someone called you "NEWAGE FISHERMAN"....I dunno, that may be some wicked kind of slam in Spain for some reason, but it was not intended to be disrespectful at all, it was only supposed to be weird. If I had wanted to morph the name "NEWWAVEBASSER" into something disrespectful, I like to think that I could have done better than that.
Respectfully yours,
CRUSTY FISHJAMMER
PS4 - For an example of the extremely silly and non-disrespectful nature of the NAME GAME, click the link below:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24622&perpage=20&highlight=tab&pagenumber=1
I disagree - I think this has been a good debate in many ways and very much related to the topic at hand.
So John is looking for an answer, but the point is that he won't really understand that answer without some knowledge of music theory.
Explaining why some notes sound "right" with others is exactly what music theory is all about.
You can blunder about for years, like somebody in the dark occasionally bumping into something that makes sense - I know, I did it for about 10 years!!
Or you can start to learn theory and it all makes sense - somebody turned the light on!
I can remember in the 1980s, playing in "New Wave" bands with other self-taught players who would say things like - "theory or lessons will stop you playing anything original or with true feeling".
The sad thing is that it took me until my middle age to realise how wrong they all were - I think that if TB does one good thing, it will be to make people realise that theory helps you not hinders you (as Chris says).
There will always be a struggle to convince people, but I think it's worth it, if just some new players "see the light"!!
Chris Fitz is A moderator, not THE moderator, and He's relatively harmless, so I let him have his fun in my forum, he's given more advice than he's bashed, anyway...........
Chris A.
tabevilthe lurking moderator........
Well, I still see this epithet as "harmless" anyway! I just don't see how "New Age Fisherman" is an insult?
There have been some really cutting ones in the past, but most of us see it as a real honour to have our names morphed by people like Chris F or Ed Fuqua.
I really loved "BLUES MINEFIELD" and feel quite attached to it as a pseudonym!
There have been some really cutting ones in the past, but most of us see it as a real honour to have our names morphed by people like Chris F or Ed Fuqua.
I really loved "BLUES MINEFIELD" and feel quite attached to it as a pseudonym!
I had the same thing with ear training. Never really cared for it until I realized how hard it was for me to transcribe some songs. Like I said I have a solid knowledge of theory (and some good books to look things up when i don't know the answer) but it just didn't help much. Maybe that's the reason for me pointing that out so much.
This is nonsens. It's like if you study Shakespear Joe Average won't understand you anymore. But I am 100% self-taught (except some basic things I learned in school), have good technique, know my theory and I am proud of that. I don't think that you always need a teacher. GOOD teachers are hard to find and no teacher may be better then a bad teacher. But how is that saying? Different strokes for different folks.
Help you with what - is the question? I believe that the question John actually asked at the start of this post would easily be answered by knowledge of theory. OK there's no substitute for a good ear, but that wasn't what we were talking about!
OK - so you hear some guitar chords with a view to writing a bassline and you might find a few notes that sound good with that. But if I have a knowledge of all the possible scales that could fit with the chord being played and understand its function in the harmony, there is so much more open to me!
As an example, in 10 years of playing I never found a diminished scale by trial an error. A few lessons with a Jazz pro and I can see this fitting into loads of situations I never even dreamed of before.
The alternative to me is ...oh well, back to root five and the odd "out " sounding note!
With my transcriptions.
Yeah, you are right. I got a little bit off the topic.
It won't happen again. I promise (not really
).That was a fun thread. Thanks for bringing it back up FSCOTTBAKULA. I remember the good old days when you could say something without getting bashed. I'm with Ed on this one.
It just goes to show you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Newwavebasser, usually if you have a problem with a person you should email them first, then bother Paul only if you are not able to work things out first. I had the same problem as you once. I thought someone was getting on my case. I sent them a PM and surely enough it was just a misunderstanding. Also I have received PMs and emails from people that didn't like things that I said. (I even had some peoples hitting on me when I used my wifey's pic as an avatar!) So in all of these cases, I worked it out with them privately.
We are adults here. It's not that hard to talk things out when need be.
Newwavebasser, usually if you have a problem with a person you should email them first, then bother Paul only if you are not able to work things out first. I had the same problem as you once. I thought someone was getting on my case. I sent them a PM and surely enough it was just a misunderstanding. Also I have received PMs and emails from people that didn't like things that I said. (I even had some peoples hitting on me when I used my wifey's pic as an avatar!) So in all of these cases, I worked it out with them privately.
We are adults here. It's not that hard to talk things out when need be.
Originally posted by jazzbo
Bet you don't have that problem with the new avatar.
Nope, you are the only one left!
Originally posted by Gabu
Nope, you are the only one left!
Oops, did I PM you again? I meant that to go to JELLYBEANCHIC.
Okay, that was wrong.
I believe the min6 of D is B nat. B flat is the sharp 5 and a great mod to the 4 chord. A better passing note to D7 would be B unless you're talking natural minor.
Sorry, I meant B flat is a good passing tone to a 4 minor and a good set-up to D7 is of coarse C.
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