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Jaco-Tone: Do you really like it?

You know.......Jaco almost always went direct in the studio, and he used the neck pickup a lot more than he's getting credit for here, especially on the slower fretless songs. Like Ken, I saw him a bunch in his prime, his tone was anything but thin.

p.s. I love his tone just like I love the tone Bruce, Entwistle, Squire got, but none of them apply to me.;)
 
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Some players have a tone that I personally don't like, but when they play in their style, in the context of the band they're in, it sounds great. Jaco's one of those guys. John Entwistle and Chris Squire also come to mind.


+1 on this. Jaco's tone has become part of the music he played and I find it hard to picture this without that upper mid bias, just as I couldn't imagine early Yes with a round smooth tone. The problem I have is when people emulate these types of tone and it just doesn't fit with the music being played.
 
I liked his tone, though I didn't particularly dig hearing it cloned, often poorly, all over the place.

But really, it's not even correct to talk about Jaco's "tone" as if he had only one. He didn't just have one tone, he had toneS. That by-now cliched back PU close to the bridge sound was only a part of what he did. Part of Jaco's greatness was actually the way he was able to wring different sounds out of his instrument with variations of touch and hand position. He had a sophistication in that regard that relatively few e-bassists up to that time had shown (and not all that many have shown since). If you listen to his recorded catalogue, or watch videos of him, you'll see what I mean. The sound he got on funky 16th-note stuff was different from the tone he got on melodic fretless ballads, and both were different from the tone he got when walking on stuff like "Fast City."

From seeing him live several times and hearing most of what he recorded before falling off the deep end, I think his sound actually had more low end than it is often given credit for having. When properly recorded, that is. I think some of the records he appeared on, even some of those he's most famous for, were actually not recorded all that well with regard to the bass, heretical though that may be to say (perhaps in part because some engineers didn't deal ideally well with bass sounds outside their usual way of doing things? I dunno). For instance, I think his bass could have been rendered better in the ensemble pieces on his debut record; it sounds more lightweight than his real sound to me. And at least one of the Weather Report records is inexplicably bad-sounding. On their second eponymous record, the one with Volcano For Hire and Dara Factor Two on it, both the sax and the bass sound just terrible--midrangey, honky, and dull. OTOH, I think Jaco's bass on the Joni Mitchell records sounds just beautiful.
 
Me likes,but does not emulates...Jaco is our preciioouuusssssssssssssssssssss.........:D

When I watch his videos I want a fretless jazz with bridge pup sound.But I want to slap it all the way when I watch Marcus and I plug in my Muff when I watch Burton.So its normal for me.But at the end of the night,its what I want and "can" get out of my setup.:bassist:
 
I had the pleasure of hearing Jaco live on quite a few occasions back in the day, and his tone was fat, full and amazing... and you could hear every note up and down the neck. .

That was my experience when I saw him with Joni. He sounded very bottom heavy and arguably muddy the one time I saw him in Weather Report. IMHO he had lots of different tones going, and as usual I liked some better than others.;)
 
I liked his tone, though I didn't particularly dig hearing it cloned, often poorly, all over the place.

But really, it's not even correct to talk about Jaco's "tone" as if he had only one. He didn't just have one tone, he had toneS. That by-now cliched back PU close to the bridge sound was only a part of what he did. Part of Jaco's greatness was actually the way he was able to wring different sounds out of his instrument with variations of touch and hand position. He had a sophistication in that regard that relatively few e-bassists up to that time had shown (and not all that many have shown since). If you listen to his recorded catalogue, or watch videos of him, you'll see what I mean. The sound he got on funky 16th-note stuff was different from the tone he got on melodic fretless ballads, and both were different from the tone he got when walking on stuff like "Fast City."

From seeing him live several times and hearing most of what he recorded before falling off the deep end, I think his sound actually had more low end than it is often given credit for having. When properly recorded, that is. I think some of the records he appeared on, even some of those he's most famous for, were actually not recorded all that well with regard to the bass, heretical though that may be to say (perhaps in part because some engineers didn't deal ideally well with bass sounds outside their usual way of doing things? I dunno). For instance, I think his bass could have been rendered better in the ensemble pieces on his debut record; it sounds more lightweight than his real sound to me. And at least one of the Weather Report records is inexplicably bad-sounding. On their second eponymous record, the one with Volcano For Hire and Dara Factor Two on it, both the sax and the bass sound just terrible--midrangey, honky, and dull. OTOH, I think Jaco's bass on the Joni Mitchell records sounds just beautiful.


I agree with this all 100% - although I knew exactly what Jimmy was talking about when he started this thread and I think, as you and many others have said - there is a particular tone that people use when they are emulating Jaco....badly! :p

As bass players I think we've all heard this over the years and cringed - but when you go back to the best records - he does sound amazing. If I put one of those Joni CDs on my Hi Fi - I always think : Wow what incredible bass tone!
 
I like his sound (particularly on Hejira) but it's probably due to liking what he was playing. Those old acoustic amps are inherently mush city, so no doubt he had that top end cranked to try to get a little articulation out of them...and the fact is they didn't really do anything over about 1.5K, what you wind up with is a pretty narrow midrange-y band.
It's great for making whatever you're playing very audible - it will also emphasize any intonation problems you may have, which is why lesser players may get the tone, but the results aint too pretty.

If some asks me to give them a Jaco-ish tone on a session - I go to the bridge pickup on my bart PJ fender and roll off all the top & bottom. They invariably go "yeah-that's it!" :D
 
I prefer it 100 times over the modern bass sound (Wooten, etc), at least it had some presence. I liked how he had this raw tone but played beautiful lines. But then again, in the "Worst tone ever" thread, there was a lot of Jack Bruce "Crossroads" tone bashing that I completely disagree with.
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+1
Right On.
 
I will say this though.......I will listen to his tone and only his use of it. Years ago, I bought a cassette by a Japanese guitarist (Name escapes me) and I believe Steve Swallow or Bunny Brunel (or someone else) was playing bass and attempting that Jaco like burpy midrange sound and I remember cringing when I heard it! Ugh! Imagine the usual Jaco 'million note passage', only faster!
 
I liked his tone, though I didn't particularly dig hearing it cloned, often poorly, all over the place.

But really, it's not even correct to talk about Jaco's "tone" as if he had only one. He didn't just have one tone, he had toneS. That by-now cliched back PU close to the bridge sound was only a part of what he did. Part of Jaco's greatness was actually the way he was able to wring different sounds out of his instrument with variations of touch and hand position. He had a sophistication in that regard that relatively few e-bassists up to that time had shown (and not all that many have shown since). If you listen to his recorded catalogue, or watch videos of him, you'll see what I mean. The sound he got on funky 16th-note stuff was different from the tone he got on melodic fretless ballads, and both were different from the tone he got when walking on stuff like "Fast City."

Right on. I liked Jaco doing Jaco. However, I also liked Bunny on Chick Corea's "Secret Agent" where he's sort of out-Jacoing Jaco. Fits the music. OTOH, I find very little use for that burpy bridge pickup tone playing Christian contemporary or classic rock. I'd be much more likely to try to emulate Mars for what I do.
 
That tone he has throughout Metheny's 'Bright Size Life' is the stuff of legends. Articulate and technical yet emotional and spirited. Bob Moses says that the album didn't capture the energy of that trio like the live act did. That it didn't capture the essence or the concept of what that trio was really doing. I would have LOVED to see that tour!
 
I like his sound (particularly on Hejira) but it's probably due to liking what he was playing. Those old acoustic amps are inherently mush city, so no doubt he had that top end cranked to try to get a little articulation out of them...and the fact is they didn't really do anything over about 1.5K, what you wind up with is a pretty narrow midrange-y band.

But Jaco said in interviews how in the studio he always DI'd into the desk with no effects or amp!! :eyebrow:
 
Wow, what a tough question. There is no way to discredit the importance of his playing or his technique.

I think his tone may have partially been due to the tools he had available to him. Put a mid freq selector switch in his hands and what would he have done?

So do I like it? Yes, but it is, as others have stated, entirely his. Would I try and emulate his tone in a live or recording environment? No, but it sure is fun to try in the privacy of my own home.
 
yes, I like his tone and like most of us i've messed around doing a burbling neck pickup low-budget Jaco impersonation... I wouldn't use it seriously for my own playing (not enough real heavy ultra low end), unless the tune was specifically a Jaco pastiche...

I think it worked great at the time he started using it, to allow him to cut through the mix so he could play as busy as he wanted... if he had the equipment choices available to musicians now, 30 years down the line, he might choose a different tone...