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Jeff Berlin Discussing Music Ed Part II

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jeff,
would you ever consider correspondence lessons like you did with charlie? it seems like it would be an effective way to teach, and relatively easy on your schedule as you would be able to send off a lesson at your convienence rather than at a set time, and i know for me, there is absolutely no way that id be able to come to the players school, but id be interested in studying long term, over the course of years, not just days or a week, through correspondence like i did with charlie for a while.
 
+100!!!

I often considered doing correspondence study with Charlie, and I missed my chance... :crying:

Jeff if you did this, I would sign up for sure, and I'll bet a lot of other people would as well.

I have a day job and a family so I can't come to Florida, but I'm very serious about learning more about music. I think there are probably a lot of people in my situation.
 
jeff,
would you ever consider correspondence lessons like you did with charlie? it seems like it would be an effective way to teach, and relatively easy on your schedule as you would be able to send off a lesson at your convienence rather than at a set time, and i know for me, there is absolutely no way that id be able to come to the players school, but id be interested in studying long term, over the course of years, not just days or a week, through correspondence like i did with charlie for a while.

I can't do that. It takes too much time. I'm busy with other things and Charlie only dedicated himself to his students.
 
+100!!!

I often considered doing correspondence study with Charlie, and I missed my chance... :crying:

Jeff if you did this, I would sign up for sure, and I'll bet a lot of other people would as well.

I have a day job and a family so I can't come to Florida, but I'm very serious about learning more about music. I think there are probably a lot of people in my situation.

You need to find a local teacher who teaches jazz (jazz is THE best academic music to study). Or if you can come to Florida for a week, then you will go home with a million new things to think about.
 
This is a week we are talking about. It seems odd that some people need to plan two years in advance to reserve a week.

Since I'm self employed I already have my calendar with scheduled events for the fall (including September) and changing them is almost impossible. Then there's arranging to have a relative or somebody stay with my wife so the kids will be taken care of while she's working and they aren't in school or she has to try to schedule vacation time. It's not as easy as just jumping on a plane.
 
Since I'm self employed I already have my calendar with scheduled events for the fall (including September) and changing them is almost impossible. Then there's arranging to have a relative or somebody stay with my wife so the kids will be taken care of while she's working and they aren't in school or she has to try to schedule vacation time. It's not as easy as just jumping on a plane.

But, it doesn't require 8 months of planning either.
 
But, it doesn't require 8 months of planning either.

I calendar things 6 months or more out at times (sometimes a year). Then I fill in the closer months with other things. If I find out about the dates of your week only a few months before, then I may or may not have that week filled already. The longer advance notice I have the better chance I have to block that week off. Sorry if that seems odd to you but it's life. :hmm:

Back to the regularly scheduled topics.
 
I calendar things 6 months or more out at times (sometimes a year). Then I fill in the closer months with other things. If I find out about the dates of your week only a few months before, then I may or may not have that week filled already. The longer advance notice I have the better chance I have to block that week off. Sorry if that seems odd to you but it's life. :hmm:

Back to the regularly scheduled topics.

Life is like a box of chocolates. It only takes a few minutes to buy one. Bada BIIIINNNNGGGGG
 
The logistics make this difficult. At The Player School of Music, the entire event is under control. I know where the music is, students have rooms to practice in, the motels are around a mile away, and all the teachers are here already.

I really don't see the difficulty about reserving a week's worht of time and hopping on a plane for around $400 and fly here to learn enough about music that will keep you busy for months afterward. This is a week we are talking about. It seems odd that some people need to plan two years in advance to reserve a week.

Self employed one man show. If I leave for a week I will be out of business.
 
Guys in your position don't have many options if you business might collape if you took a week off. Music would be a harder thing for people like yourself to pursue, at least at the higher academic levels. Too bad!

I am trying. I get blocks of free time all over the place. Just not long ones. My bass is in my office. I try to play 1 -2 hours per day. I am your long distance customer base. Have resources but no time in one week blocks. Also cant find a teacher close to home.
 
The logistics make this difficult. At The Player School of Music, the entire event is under control. I know where the music is, students have rooms to practice in, the motels are around a mile away, and all the teachers are here already.

I really don't see the difficulty about reserving a week's worht of time and hopping on a plane for around $400 and fly here to learn enough about music that will keep you busy for months afterward. This is a week we are talking about. It seems odd that some people need to plan two years in advance to reserve a week.

some of us are poor uni students living in countries outside of us :(
 
Is there a technology that permits a world-wide broadcast? No one answered this question and I don't know the answer. Can it be done whereby I go on-line and talk and demonstrate bass to players everywhere only from my office??
 
I wrote this over at MySpace and have gotten some nice response. i thought to put it here as well. If you have any problems with what I have said, then please let me know. Best to all!

"Thanks a million for your kind messages and supportive statements. It actually is interesting to find so many people who DON’T think that I am a bad guy because I am against what practically the entire educational field stands for. I never really knew how many people actually understood my points about musical content to study and work on. You guys are becoming a greater nation than ever before.

In this month’s Bass Player magazine, I wrote a letter apologizing for my hard attitude toward other methods of teaching and I still stand by this. Nobody wishes to be made a fool of for what they believe in. And yet, I tried hard to allow for the variety of methods that are out there, but I admit it; I failed! Political correctness just doesn’t work for me even though I would agree that a more gentle approach is the best way to state one’s views. I will work on this! But, there are so many nonsensical methods in learning how to play that I just can’t allow player/teachers who don’t know their subject and are affecting YOU with their philosophies to do this without a clearer perspective about these bogus learning methods from an old conservatory trained ex. violinist, now jazz bassist like me!

I saw practically a total generation of musicians accept these methods as valid (what else could they do. They didn’t know enough about music to know that they weren’t!) Because they have, the general bass community, in fact the general music community practically can barely play a note. So, I publicly disagreed with every music magazine, every website that offered lessons, every teacher that taught foolish learning methods, every well known bass player who offered inadequate musical instruction, every DVD that taught B.S. principles, every piece of music with tab on it and I totally dismissed that ridiculous clicking box, THE most distracting device from where good time comes from in the history of the electric bass guitar.

What is surprising is that practically 100% of the comments for years were against what I was saying. I didn’t care, I knew what I was doing and saying. But, lately, I’d say within the last years, loads of people have come forward agreeing with my statements that to play well, you have to know what you are doing on a functional level. Music is that functional level, in fact, it is the best academic concept of all time if one chooses a teacher or some other source to learn from. Thanks to those who are finally getting the message. If you follow this principle and learn correctly, then Congratulations! You’ve just entered the rarified air of musical growth, something that nobody else has insisted upon, not one other well known player/teacher that I know of."
 
Hi Jeff, with all the focus on chord tones that's been going on here I've pretty much put aside running scales for now. Along with the chord studies book, I've also gone back to basics to review arpeggios so I am aware of the relationships between the chord tones and the approach notes in the book. What i'd like to know is, do you think it's beneficial to be able to play arpeggios at a certain level of proficiency or is it more relevant to focus on etudes and exercises that incorporate them in a more musical or melodic manner?
 
hey jeff,
if you're not going to make your broadcast interactive, with input and Q and A from the audience (which i think would be pretty difficult given the large audience you want to attract) then why dont you just video tape yourself giving some lectures or whatever it is that you want to teach and put it up on your site for paid viewing and perhaps download? if it were a topic i were interested in id check it out. you could make a whole series of lessons. go nuts.
 
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