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Jeff Berlin Discussing Music Ed Part II

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Most people reading this aren't trained in music. This is why some play the Blues. They can't play anything else.

I want a change, an upgrade, so that if one chooses the Blues, or rock, it is because they have multiple choices and can choose what they want from a buffet of opportunities. Blues players can't do this. In fact, they are unable to even consider other musical styles since these styles are out of their ability to play with legitimacy. Whatever style one chooses to play, one ought to have some knowledge and ability to allow other opportunities into their musical lives. How many times can one play a Blues in E before getting just a little bit tired of the experience.

The only players who may protest this statement are the guys that are represented by this comment. Sometimes it is so easy to find out who falls into the categories that I speak of. They are the ones who protest immediately. My suggestion is to not be offended. Just improve on your instrument in musical ways and stop being limited to the simplest, most tonaly non-eventful musical style in music, if this is your wish.

I protest this statement so you are wrong again i'm afraid. I play Blues because because i like it. I know and work so many blues players that know nothing about any theory other than the ability to make great music that touches people. :)
 
Is fluency in G clef something worth developing? If so, any recommendations for a simple study book that has pages of music from the E at the second fret on the D string to the Eb up high on the G string (I'm a 4-string player)?

I would love to study piano on the side to accomplish this, as well as all the benefits associated with piano fluency.
 
Is fluency in G clef something worth developing? If so, any recommendations for a simple study book that has pages of music from the E at the second fret on the D string to the Eb up high on the G string (I'm a 4-string player)?

I would love to study piano on the side to accomplish this, as well as all the benefits associated with piano fluency.

Certainly the piano is a necessary instrument to accopmany one's main instrumental choice. The piano is the only orchestral instrument in all of music. It is the instrument that everyone who has a first instrument relies on as their second, for composition, and for musical study. I was a violinist first, and even today when I transcribe music, I write it in treble clef. I learned most of the harmony that I know from piano. I would absolutely endorse your investigating this instrument that will broaden your harmonic horizons away from the predictability of a simple blues or the repeated elements of rock. Learn jazz for the academic elements contained within them, and you can utalize much of those principles on your main instrument, whcih I assume is bass. Good luck!
 
Jeff, what you said about practicing out of time made me think about practicing on standards. I know that one of the best ways to learn how to play over standards is to transcribe solos by the masters. But would it also be a worthwhile idea to pick a standard and try soloing over it out of time? That is, going through it chord by chord, seeing what ideas you can come up with.
 
Jeff, what you said about practicing out of time made me think about practicing on standards. I know that one of the best ways to learn how to play over standards is to transcribe solos by the masters. But would it also be a worthwhile idea to pick a standard and try soloing over it out of time? That is, going through it chord by chord, seeing what ideas you can come up with.

Yes, this is a great way to learn how to solo over changes. But another good way is to find simple melodic ideas and play them in all different keys and in all different kinds (maj, min, dom7, min7, min7b5, dim7, etc). Sometimes a two bar figure of perfect melody can be a fantastic thing to play on. It allows for repetition of excellent material, followed by the repetition of more excellent material. You can't lose learning how to play better this way. Good luck!
 
Because you don't agree, Jeff is wrong?

There is a joke that goes like this: A not-so-smart crook steals a woman’s purse and is promptly arrested. They put the guy in a line up. When the woman enters the room to point out the crook, the dumb guy steps forward, points his finger at the woman and says, “That’s her!”

I may identify a group, but some are always first to identify tehmselve as a part of the general group that I identified. The more that these and others like these complain about my comments, the more that I know that I have hit a nerve! This wasn't my intention, but, some guys can't stop from identifying themselves and with such ease.
 
Jeff,

How do you feel about learning classical pieces on the bass? I've been working up the Bach Cello Suite #1 on the bass, I feel it's been a marvelous benefit to my playing. I also practice the classical etudes from my double bass study on bass guitar. Do you believe this has any benefit?

It is a good piece to regard, but there are so many other decent and effective pieces of music to practice. The Bach Cello Suites are a little bit of a cliche for bass players, as are scales. There are so many other variations of great works to work on. Find a teacher who can identify your abilities and assign you great material to practice. Good luck!
 
Jeff, my daughter has recently shown interest in the drums, so i bought her a used set.
i showed her what i know (which is not much) but i showed her a basic groove, she picked it up very fast.
i noticed that she has a very good sense of timing, should i continue to play music around her or should i pay for lessons...or both.
the reason i ask is i don't want to make it a "job" for her to play.
we have a lot fun just jamming.
i want to do the best for her.
what says you, and thank you in advance.:)
 
Jeff, my daughter has recently shown interest in the drums, so i bought her a used set.
i showed her what i know (which is not much) but i showed her a basic groove, she picked it up very fast.
i noticed that she has a very good sense of timing, should i continue to play music around her or should i pay for lessons...or both.
the reason i ask is i don't want to make it a "job" for her to play.
we have a lot fun just jamming.
i want to do the best for her.
what says you, and thank you in advance.:)

If she can be encouraged to take a few basic lessons, then you might have a decent little drummer in the family. Who knows? Don't avoid lessons. Just make sure that the teacher knows his topic. Why shouldn't she try out a few rudiments of drumming. It could be a really good thing for her.
 
Now you hit a nerve! Ramen got me through college when it was like 10 for a dollar. :D

The truth is, I like Ramen myself. So does my son! I just got back from Japan where I ate the "Cadillac of Ramen". Indescribably good! But, wasn't that post taken down? The thread moderator took down a couple of things that he thought might incite some disagreeable comments and I thought that my "Ramen" example went away with it.
 
I protest this statement so you are wrong again i'm afraid. I play Blues because because i like it. I know and work so many blues players that know nothing about any theory other than the ability to make great music that touches people. :)

I don't think he's slamming all blues players, not the real ones anyway. I believe he's talking about the guys who repeat the same shuffle in G all night long. Chessey bar band types.
 
I don't think he's slamming all blues players, not the real ones anyway. I believe he's talking about the guys who repeat the same shuffle in G all night long. Chessey bar band types.

I am not slamming anyone! I am stating a truth, which is that many blues bass players play the blues because they do not have the musical skills (having never pursued them) to play other styles of music. Some fall into the group, some do not! What entertains me is how willing some are to call attention to themselves as those who do and then get offended by my generality! Read the joke above that I wrote. It says it all!
 
I am not slamming anyone! I am stating a truth, which is that many blues bass players play the blues because they do not have the musical skills (having never pursued them) to play other styles of music. Some fall into the group, some do not! What entertains me is how willing some are to call attention to themselves as those who do and then get offended by my generality! Read the joke above that I wrote to you guys. It says it all!

Um ... does the "you guys" mean this is directed at me? Hope not. Sure I play in blues bands now and then but that's because I like to, old guys like me can find gigs that way, and that's what the local clubs often want. I also play jazz and rock now and then, as well as a regular church gig which let's me play all sorts of stuff -- even country last week. Anyway, yeah there are players that suck everywhere, and lots of great blues players too. (Reminds me, I saw Robben Ford recently and Travis Carlton was his bassist. Young guy, great player, great Blues player.)
 
The truth is, I like Ramen myself. So does my son! I just got back from Japan where I ate the "Cadillac of Ramen". Indescribably good! But, wasn't that post taken down? The thread moderator took down a couple of things that he thought might incite some disagreeable comments and I thought that my "Ramen" example went away with it.

It looks like it was. Perhaps the good people at Ramen complained. There were a few years that I just couldn't eat anymore of it. Now I eat it once it a while. We get some different ones at the asian food store.
 
It looks like it was. Perhaps the good people at Ramen complained. There were a few years that I just couldn't eat anymore of it. Now I eat it once it a while. We get some different ones at the asian food store.

In Japn, the noodles are twice as thick as what we have in the U.S. Chewy, slightly different flavor, hard to describe, but unbelievably great.
 
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