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Jeff Berlin fired by Frank Zappa

Zappa was legendary for being a perfectionist and very hands-on regarding all aspects of his Music. Apparently, this attitude extended right down to the way the stagehands did their job.

In the early 70's I attended a Concert at Long Island NY's, Nassau Coliseum. Zappa & The Mothers' were Performing on a Double-Bill with John McLaughlin & the Mahavishnu Orchestra.

Anyway, early on in the Mothers Performance, Zappa became annoyed with the job that the Lighting Crew was doing. Apparently, they weren't properly Spotlighting Ruth Underwood, during one of her solos. Truthfully, with the Frenzied pace of the show...none in the audience would've known. But that didn't matter to Frank...he knew; and that was all that mattered. In fact it mattered to the point of distraction. He just couldn't let it slide.

In the middle of the solo he started to verbally blast the crew for their error, telling them to get their act together. Annoyance soon begot anger, which morphed into bewildered rage over their incompetence. The harried lighting crew was getting more and more flustered as the needling/badgering continued. Apparently, totally bewildered, they started to guess with the lighting, which really ticked off Frank, pushing him over the edge.

...put the XXXX spotlight where it belongs...put the light on Underwood....put the XXXX on Ruth... Ruth... Ruth Underwood, you know, Ruth...finally he said: Ruth, the one with the XXXX T-ts !
The audience was momentarily stunned, it fell into this eerie shocked silence. Then, a buzz started to swell, and finally the place erupted. It was carnival time ! It was Zappa being Zappa, and we were there.

The crew eventually figured out where to place the light, and the concert continued without further incident. He was One of a kind. It was always his singular vision.
So, yeah, I can see how it was his way or the highway, when it came to his Music. Deal with it or leave. I guess Jeff left.
 
My folks took me to see Frank when I was in grade school at Eagles Auditorium in Seattle. Musta been '67/'68. Second concert I'd ever been to - Ike &Tina was first. It was totally freaky - a bunch of painted up people, a full light show and guys walkin' around askin' "Acid? Hash?". Pretty intense for a kid. Coolest part was they were projecting a b/w Frankenstein movie on the wall

Frank is tied with Jimi as far as personal favorite guitarist. Some people have told me he's way to technical and doesn't play with any soul. I respond: how can you express what your soul feels if you haven't the technical prowess to express it? I feel he hears every note before it comes out - he's that musically aware.

Anyone ever see the clip of him playing the bicycle on the old "Steve Allen Show"? Funny and impressive!

Frank was not only a genius as a composer, arranger, and musician...but he was also a guy who took care of his family.
Good point! He also took care of the American family in general going toe to toe with Tipper and that whole PMRC zoo. A very articulate watchdog

I miss Frank vry much.
 
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Part of the Thunes vs. everyone conflict also happened because Thunes was serving as Zappa's Klonemeister (i.e. rehearsal director) at the time, and he tended to be rather rough on the other musicians.

And yeah, all the accounts I have read of the Zappa/Coliaulta/Berlin thing boil down to them going behind the other band members and demanding more money, which pissed Frank off because he insisted on paying all his people the same (ample) wage, and because he felt like they were trying to extort money from him (per the Real Frank Zappa Book).
 
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When you're playing as a "sideman" your job is to play someone else's music to the best of your ability. You're extremely lucky if you get the change to sub in your own fills from time-to-time.



Vinnie Colaiuta is a human clicktrack! :eek: :smug:

Me personally, I intensely dislike being told what to play (being ASKED what to play is different) and would sooner pass up joining a band than being a droid or yo cat.... and one of the very few people I'd have willingly taken orders from was Frank, because the guy was a genius.
 
You owe it to yourself to do this as soon as possible. Start with something more accessible like Apostrophe, One Size Fits All, or Overnite Sensation.

There is a lot of references to the time period and the California area, but I've always loved Franks live album "Just Another Band From LA" It is so full of clever satire, hilarious lines, great stories and incredible music/musicianship. I'm still amazed and entertained with it to this day. How I would have loved to have seen this show live. To me this work really show cases Franks genius.
 
Well I wouldn't really say it's that big a deal for John Mclaughlin...I mean, this is John Mclaughlin after all! Not just some two bit string plucker! :p

...and vice versa. You may find this interesting:

[SIZE=-0]It is in the Interview called "One Size Fits All (1977) and is in the Miller Freedman's A Definitive Tribute to Frank Zappa.
[/SIZE] [SIZE=-0] Steve Rosen: What about the contemporary heavies, like Jeff Beck or John McLaughlin?
[/SIZE] [SIZE=-0] Frank Zappa: I like Jeff, yeah. I've listened to "Wired" [Epic], and there are a couple of solos on there that I like. And I like some of his stuff on "Rough and Ready" [Epic]. A person woud be a moron not to appreciate McLaughlin's technique. The guy has certainly found out how to operate a guitar as if it were a machine gun. But I'm not always enthusiastic about the lines I hear or the ways in which they're used. I don't think you can fault him, though, for the amount of time and effort it must have taken to play an instrument that fast. I think anybody who can play that fast is just wonderful. And I'm sure 90% of teenage America would agree, since the whole trend in the business has been "faster is better." [/SIZE]
 
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Interesting, though I never thought Zappa would sink to such thinly veiled cheap shots and jealous pettiness. Though perhaps it's just that he didn't really understand John McLaughlin, being such a fierce, passionate and jazzy player!
 
(imo, aside from Steve Vai, he is the most technically gifted band member Zappa ever had)

Well, I guess that's fair in your opinion, but technically better than Bozzio and George Duke? (just to name two; and we'll leave musicallity out of it, btw).

Calliouta (spl? darn)?

Ruth Underwood?

How does one compare musicians in that way anywho?

:confused:
 
Interesting, though I never thought Zappa would sink to such thinly veiled cheap shots and jealous pettiness. Though perhaps it's just that he didn't really understand John McLaughlin, being such a fierce, passionate and jazzy player!

Or maybe he was just taking the piss, in the usual FZ way..... and then segueing into social commentary, to boot....

I wonder how in the world a 'straight' band like the MO follows an act like Zappa and the Mothers....
 
Well, I guess that's fair in your opinion, but technically better than Bozzio and George Duke? (just to name two; and we'll leave musicallity out of it, btw).

Calliouta (spl? darn)?

Ruth Underwood?

How does one compare musicians in that way anywho?

:confused:

Plus, Frank had the Brecker Bros for his live in NY gigs.;)
 
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I saw Frank twice. Once in '79 in Boston, and several years later at the Jones Beach Ampitheater, Long Island NY, under the stars. My friend (a total zappa zelot) somehow got backstage passes, and we got to meet Frank, a few players, and snap a few pictures. Can't find those pictures anywhere!! Awesome shows. indeed!
 
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Or maybe he was just taking the piss, in the usual FZ way..... and then segueing into social commentary, to boot....

I wonder how in the world a 'straight' band like the MO follows an act like Zappa and the Mothers....

If he was taking the piss, it now sounds like more like a jealous cheap shot. We'll never know now though, if that was what he meant.

However, I guess that MO would just follow Zappa by playing their buttocks off, and rocking out as they usually did.
 
However, I guess that MO would just follow Zappa by playing their buttocks off, and rocking out as they usually did.

More than likely MO was opening for FZ in those days. I actually saw MO open for T-Rex around 72 or 73...:eyebrow:

I always felt a little sorry for bands I've seen play after McLaughlin's bands. Especially the original MO and Shakti. Hard acts to follow, oh man.
 
I always felt a little sorry for bands I've seen play after McLaughlin's bands. Especially the original MO and Shakti. Hard acts to follow, oh man.

I saw the Shakti Revisited? tour in the late 90s at Oakland's Paramount Theatre and it was stellar.

The only other McLaughlin show I saw was a trio with Joey Defrancesco and Dennis Chambers at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. Wow.

I'm a fan of both him and Zappa and they are apples/oranges.
 

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