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John Entwistle!

Entwistle's known for his sophisticated amplification systems. During the '60's, he used guitar amps more than bass amps, such as Marshall. Then, in the '70's, he did a lot of bi-amping, with a guitar-style signal on the high end, with a more traditional bass signal on the low end. He actually split that even more in the late '80's, so that the high-end ran in stereo and the low end in mono. I've attached a link to his web page that discusses his equipment. His setup is a bit different now, as he has switched from Trace Elliot to Ashdown. But, this will give you an idea of his setup in recent years...

http://www.johnentwistle.com/Gear/jaegear.html

Another thing he does is play with the strings so low that there's a certain amount of fret buzzing. (I got that one from Mica Wickersham years ago).

EQ wise, his recent setups featured a "frown" setting on the high end, so that 1K was virtually wiped out. I'm sure focusing on those mids really helps him cut through.

Of course, with Pete's guitar, John's sound is largely interrputed by other instruments (not that that's a knock on Pete...)
 
Originally posted by rickbass1
If you're after that "My Generation" solo sound, jeffbonny's got it right. I sat not more than 20 ft. from him at a concert on their 2nd US tour. He had no pedals or boxes that I could see/hear - just a Fender P, Rotosound roundwounds, and a quarter acre of Sunns. He seldom even twiddled around with his pots.

It's not just strings that'll get that sound. It also has to do with the setup and his amp. You said he was using Sunn amps...were they tube? How was his gain set?

They didn't need pedals back then, just as now to get distortion. If you saw his signal path even then, you'd get confused. A cheap way to do it is to biamp, with a guitar amp on the high end and a bass amp on the low. It'll get a similar effect.
 
Yoiks! I'm not the world's biggest John Entwistle fan, but "Eminence Front" just blows me away. Everything about the bass line - tone, timing, technique - strikes me as perfect. His tone is very sharp and bright on this tune, but without losing the bottom. I find the song mesmerizing, but the Moon/Entwistle combination gives massive punch as well.

Does anyone know what bass he used to record this song? Also, if I'm not mistaken, he commonly uses a technique of "slapping" the strings with his fingers, like playing fingerstyle, only harder. Does that sound right?
 
...I thought Kenny Jones played drums on that recording.
I'm not sure what bass Entwhistle used, either. He was infamous for his "Frankenstein" basses(like a Thunderbird body coupled with a P-Bass neck, etc).
FWIW, there's some killer bass playing on The Who's QUADRAPHENIA cds.
 
Originally posted by Max Power
Yoiks! I'm not the world's biggest John Entwistle fan, but "Eminence Front" just blows me away. Everything about the bass line - tone, timing, technique - strikes me as perfect. His tone is very sharp and bright on this tune, but without losing the bottom. I find the song mesmerizing, but the Moon/Entwistle combination gives massive punch as well.

Does anyone know what bass he used to record this song? Also, if I'm not mistaken, he commonly uses a technique of "slapping" the strings with his fingers, like playing fingerstyle, only harder. Does that sound right?

He had a few custom-made Alembic Series 2 basses at the time that "It's Hard" was released, and I believe he used them almost exclusively throughout the late '70's and early '80's.

His techniques are extremely diverse: He switches between so many to get a tremendously dynamic tone. Among his techniques are
-plucking with two fingers,
-four fingers,
-five fingers,
-picking with a Dunlop .1 mm (black),
-popping (pulling the string straight out from the fingerboard and letting it slap back),
-flamenco-style strumming with the back of his hand,
-a version of tapping where he strikes the strings at the base of the fingerboard with his fingers instead of his thumb, but to get a similar tone of slapping,
-and another version of tapping where he gets a lot of that harmonic thing going...
-Furthermore, according to his bass video (Hotlicks), he sometimes strikes the strings hard, other times very soft.

If you think this list is long and incredible, you should SEE this guy play!!! :D:D I almost quit playing after seeing him!

By the way, every version of Eminence Front is different. Some radio stations in Chicago have an alternate studio version than the one on the album "It's Hard". The alternate is even better than the one on the album! You can also hear the bass even better!!! :D:D:D
 
Originally posted by JimK
...I thought Kenny Jones played drums on that recording.
I'm not sure what bass Entwhistle used, either. He was infamous for his "Frankenstein" basses(like a Thunderbird body coupled with a P-Bass neck, etc).
FWIW, there's some killer bass playing on The Who's QUADRAPHENIA cds.


Yeah, you're right, it was Kenny Jones. It's been so long since I bought any Who stuff, everything I have is on vinyl. Quadrophenia might be a good addition, but I need more King's X and Flecktones first. :D
 
Originally posted by Usul
YIKES!!! I think I feel sick...

Amazing...his fingers were almost a blur!! Methinks young Master Usul doth have a "new" favorite bassist! :)

Hell he`s almost as good as Fieldy!! LMFAO!! *ducking* j/k


Thanks for the link RAM ,really kewl! ;)

Usul,

The scary part is that you ain't seen nothin' yet...Believe me, this was remedial playing compared to what I've seen him do live! If he ever gets to your area with his solo band, it'd be a serious mistake to miss him!!!
 
I've seen the Who twice in concert, and the whole time I was captivated just watching his hands. (Ok, so the second time I wasn't close to enough to see his hands, but I REALLY listened). He just blew my mind, and he's one of the reasons I started playing bass. Does he have any videos out?
 
Originally posted by td1368
WOW!
It is scary how effortlessy Entwhistle plays. I better go practice. BTW can anyone recommend a solo cd or a cd w/ another group besides The Who.

I don't know if I could play like that with a buzzard bass
but I wouldn't mind trying.

I too, would like to play that Buzzard! Just once!

Entwistle has done some stuff. You can check out his website for some more info. There's also an "alternate" John Entwistle page...http://www.steamroller.com/theox/.

If you want some more music, check out his two live CDs. One is with the John Entwistle Band circa 1996. The music is okay, but his playing is amazing. The other recording is from the King Biscuit Flower Hour from the 1970's.

Oh...and he just announced that the John Entwistle Band is touring the US in Summer of 2001...here's the link...http://www.johnentwistle.comJust scroll down to where it says "Wistlestop" and go to that link. It'll give you some info regarding the tour...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D