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John Myung

Originally posted by Oysterman
what I see is less good. While he has some great lines, his onstage charisma equals zero. He's definitely one of the most boring live musicians I've ever seen. Pretty much stands in one place and looks on his fingers the whole show.

See, I got the opposite impression. Yes, he does just stand there and look at his fretboard the whole time, but he has some sort of aura about him when he plays. For me he was my favorite to watch - better than watching that clown Portnoy spitting water all over everyone the whole show... :rolleyes:

BTW, for you DT type prog heads, check out my band Ice Age at http://www.magnacarta.net/asp_bin/viewcdpage.asp?catno=MA-9028-2 The guitarist and keyboardist studied with Petrucci and Kevin Moore for a long time, and the influence is obvious. ;) The drummer is Neil Peart incarnate, and root boy here chugs along down below. :D
 
Originally posted by Oysterman
And regarding his "Metropolis part I" tapping solo... I believe he has himself said that he only managed to pull that one of properly once - when they recorded the song for I&W. I don't blame him, it's an amazingly difficult part to play, being so simple in structure as it is.

Oh man, he messed it up in the 5 Years In A Livetime video - heh, the look he got from Derek Sherinian... and John P pats his head afterwards... har har har :D

;)
You must not own Live at the Marquee! :)

My take is this. John is one of the most amazing and underrated/understated bassists of our time. I disagree with those who voice the opinion of "John should stand out more" or "DT should change their songs to highlight John more" John is not a Geddy Lee. His brilliance is his ability to write a counter melody or harmony while the other players are establishing melodies themselves. I liken DT to a good choir, each voice can stand out, sure, but when put together, the voices compliment each other 100%
 
hmmmm, virtuosity...any of you guys ever meet mike portnoy? he's a virtuoso...ask him....he'll tell ya...i hate that guy. lolol awesome drummer though, as are the other guys in the band....well, musicians with their respective instruments. heheh i almost said they were all drummers :eek: john myung is an excellent bassist and a nice guy too...i would love to hear those guys live again. without vocals though. that guy is pretty horrible live.
 
Mike Portnoy is (IN MY OH SO VERY HUMBLE OPINION)a stupid drummer. Who would ever think of putting double kickdrums in a ballad?????

Oh yeah, Lars Ulrich.
But let's not start on him. (the only possible candidate for "most un-funky drummer" on this planet)
 
Originally posted by Niels Keijzer
Mike Portnoy is (IN MY OH SO VERY HUMBLE OPINION)a stupid drummer. Who would ever think of putting double kickdrums in a ballad?????

well,you just said why Mike Portnoy is a great drummer...isn't that what progressive music is all about,doing original stuff that is hard to think of?I like all of Mike's additions to DT songs...I mean I never thought,wow,this would be a great song if it wasn't for the drumming.Just MHO,of course,but I think that things like double kickdrums in a ballad,as you mention,are very clever and refreshing.
 
Originally posted by Stingray5


See, I got the opposite impression. Yes, he does just stand there and look at his fretboard the whole time, but he has some sort of aura about him when he plays. For me he was my favorite to watch - better than watching that clown Portnoy spitting water all over everyone the whole show... :rolleyes:

BTW, for you DT type prog heads, check out my band Ice Age at http://www.magnacarta.net/asp_bin/viewcdpage.asp?catno=MA-9028-2 The guitarist and keyboardist studied with Petrucci and Kevin Moore for a long time, and the influence is obvious. ;) The drummer is Neil Peart incarnate, and root boy here chugs along down below. :D

Sorry to bring this thread back again, but since the 'Met.P2 Scenes from New york' DVD came out, I felt another inspiration.

Hell yeah, he stands there, in 1 place, just watch his fingers throughout the show, it's like watching a spider crawl across the room! That is serious bass work!! Oh, by the way, I have three bootlegs(taken from the 'evil' Napster) where he plays the tapping solo in Metropolis Pt.1, to perfection, IN EVERY VERSION!!!......bye
 
Originally posted by snfjtu
The guy is flat out amazing. He's definitely blessed with long fingers though, which is huge asset when playing guitar or bass I think. If I could add about an inch to my fingers, I'd be a god too probably. :)

I agree with the "good genes" about the long fingers, but, I'll never be able to play like him (tech. speaking)...........
 
anyone know why JM didnt have a bass solo on Once in a livetime?Or maybe it was removed?Why was guitarist John Petrucci given a self indulgent solo and not JM?No offence to JP,i think he is an exceptional guitarist,but his solo spot sounded like some metal kid practising in his bedroom.
 
Originally posted by ytsebri
JM hasn't had a solo spot on any tours as far as I know. It's always been Petrucci, Portnoy, and the key players. MHO is that Myung doesn't want to be out front in that way. It seems like he would be out of place in a solo spot personality-wise.

I agree, I don't ever remember JM having a "solo", unless it was in the structure of the song, IE: 'Met. Pt.1'.
 
Allow me to revitalize this thread.
I am a Dream Theater fan, and have spent hours contemplating John Myung's skills and role.
I have come to the conclusion that he is a robot. He can technically play anything that anyone tells him to play, but he does not have good ideas to actually contribute to the the music.
He can play simply, or match the other guys' riffs, but usually he is just along for the ride, and he's not worth paying attention to even when he's audible.
He practices obsessively for hours and hours. He practices while the other guys have fun, even since the Majesty days. But why?
Why would someone spend so much time practicing when they don't create music? He sometimes taps; I've never seen him slap; he played his share of harmonics back in the 90s.I would expect one who practices six hours a day to have a mastery of extended techniques, and be a prolific writer.
He could at least play a harmony line once in a while! Would that be so hard, to play a third above Petrucci instead of playing another unison?
Many of his solos are based around patterns. Look at Metropolis: F# in three different octaves, and one B just for fun. He plays it multiple times, then moves it up without variation. What a glorious, innovative, and moving solo. Erotomania and Dance of Eternity: Half of these solos are just patterns that he probably played thousands of times before forming Majesty.
The only time I can totally hear him on their newest album is during one of te cool guitar-keyboard unison lines in the intro of The Count of Tuscany. Rocking the root whole notes. And when the key changes come a while later, you can hear him playing root eighth notes. This is one of the big progressive bassists? The heir to Steve Harris, Geddy Lee, Cliff Burton? On When Day and Dream Unite he was audible, and he sometimes played really cool stuff.
It's one thing to serve the song. It's another to put little thought into your lines, copy your bandmates, and allow yourself to be buried in the mix album after album.
He's a great technical player and I admire his dedication- but what happened to his spirit of innovation or creativity? He's not setting a good example.
 
I agree, I don't ever remember JM having a "solo", unless it was in the structure of the song, IE: 'Met. Pt.1'.

Check out Invalid Link Removed, then. One of the rare instances when he kicks out into a solo and gets his two minutes of awesomeness.

JM has been a grand influence on me - and I dare say his playing was the main reason I took up bass and "evolved" to the six-string, so to speak.
 
John Myung has played quite a lot of stuff that I like. Howewer I don't particularly like his tone atm. He sounded really great on Images & Words. The bass on Black Clouds & Silver Linings sounds ok in the mix, not good enough, but if you listen to the stems you'll hear that the bass tone is totally crappy. I made a cover of A Rite Of Passage, and IMO my version sounds much better basswise. I don't know whether it's John, the other John or the engineer that found out this tone was good, but it's not. They should do it more like before, when the bass sounded great. For the last 2-3 albums the bass haven't been sounding good.
I've never seen him slap

2:22 Now you have :P. I can't really see where much slapping would fit into DT's music anyway. But slapping sure is a lot of fun, so any bassist should learn the technique for the fun of it.
 
Dellers, thanks for the link, I had no idea that part of OLT was supposed to be slapped.

I found JM's tone fairly good all the way from the Majesty Demos to about Metropolis Pt2... after that it's a downward spiral, I'd say. His individual tone's good, but it's too buried in the mix.