Jule Amps Monique part 5

[juledude]

Does this +10db feature exist on all Moniques including the Dove Cage?

Yes. They all have the +10db feature currently. It has been many years since any were made without this feature. Those that were have been pretty well updated. I even updated one that was in Portugal. Long swim.

 

[BurningSkies]

Other than the bulk, a larger diameter power cable is all good. (You are right about the 14Gauge cable sent with the M2500.) Those little electrons want to run freely, as fast as possible, without banging into each other (EE Students ignore this sentence) or without being restricted.

The 15 amp strip will work. When you get to a place where you want to "Release the Kraken" and continuously play at full volume you may need to go to the wall but I doubt it. As I mentioned a bit earlier, the Hypex power supply running the 2500 has a very large capacitive reservoir. It is designed to run three Hypex 2500 watt amps simultaneously and that is where we begin to be concerned about the available house current. This over-engineering helps us a lot in the real world.

Everything we build and test is continuously monitored in the shop for current draw, and under normal conditions a single M2500 draws less than 5 amps. On paper, we can draw as much as 28 amps at full load from that power supply. I have not seen anything close to that with a single M2500.

And before anybody asks, "No," I will not build up a 3x2500 watt version.

M7500 order coming up!



I figured it would probably act similarly to what I've been using, but I wanted to be sure. I'm more likely to run into low wall voltage rather than trigger breakers. Only time I did that was at Home where they had us on one of the smaller stages and were running one circuit for lights, my half of the stage (Bass, tube guitars), and something like 6 mono-bock tube amps for monitors and PA! I regret to inform them that none of this was my doing.

I may drop a clause in our tech rider requesting a 20 amp circuit for our bass setup though. Then when or if something happens, I can point to it and say 'you're in violation of our contract!'

I would assume that I won't necessarily any louder than I already am on stage in general. I'd probably need to start adding speakers.

 

[allenhumble]

How about a 3× 100 watt all tube Bertha?

Other than the bulk, a larger diameter power cable is all good. (You are right about the 14Gauge cable sent with the M2500.) Those little electrons want to run freely, as fast as possible, without banging into each other (EE Students ignore this sentence) or without being restricted.

The 15 amp strip will work. When you get to a place where you want to "Release the Kraken" and continuously play at full volume you may need to go to the wall but I doubt it. As I mentioned a bit earlier, the Hypex power supply running the 2500 has a very large capacitive reservoir. It is designed to run three Hypex 2500 watt amps simultaneously and that is where we begin to be concerned about the available house current. This over-engineering helps us a lot in the real world.

Everything we build and test is continuously monitored in the shop for current draw, and under normal conditions a single M2500 draws less than 5 amps. On paper, we can draw as much as 28 amps at full load from that power supply. I have not seen anything close to that with a single M2500.

And before anybody asks, "No," I will not build up a 3x2500 watt version.

 

[allenhumble]

A monique/m2500 combo head in a dovecage/Jules design would be pretty awesome......

 

[juledude]

M7500 order coming up!



I figured it would probably act similarly to what I've been using, but I wanted to be sure. I'm more likely to run into low wall voltage rather than trigger breakers. Only time I did that was at Home where they had us on one of the smaller stages and were running one circuit for lights, my half of the stage (Bass, tube guitars), and something like 6 mono-bock tube amps for monitors and PA! I regret to inform them that none of this was my doing.

I may drop a clause in our tech rider requesting a 20 amp circuit for our bass setup though. Then when or if something happens, I can point to it and say 'you're in violation of our contract!'

I would assume that I won't necessarily any louder than I already am on stage in general. I'd probably need to start adding speakers.

The Hypex power supply will run well with wall AC down to 90 volts. Robust this beast.

I do understand that stage power is always an unknown. Remember when tube amps came with an "AC reference" switch? That was an attempt at avoiding electrocution due to poorly wired stages.

 

[BurningSkies]

The Hypex power supply will run well with wall AC down to 90 volts. Robust this beast.

I do understand that stage power is always an unknown. Remember when tube amps came with an "AC reference" switch? That was an attempt at avoiding electrocution due to poorly wired stages.

Yep. I have an amp or two with that switch around here. Maybe my Twin? I would expect the Hypex to work solidly...that's one of the reasons I often used to run the IPR bridged at 4ohms. In a room with low voltage at the wall, the headroom when you're getting ~500w per cab was reduced so that I would clip pretty easily. I found running the amp bridged provided enough voltage swing to avoid that problem.

Got a chance to rehears tonight with the Mo/M2500 and it was a really interesting experience. I didn't think I'd notice much difference since it wasn't a higher volume situation and since I was using my little rehearsal room 2x12 cab. But that is not the case. It brings a bunch to the table even in lower volume settings. It was quicker/tighter/cleaner in a really nice way. We're working with a new drummer and it definitely brought a smile to his face on Many Paths (to the same summit) with how defined and tight it feels. It's also got a really nice dimensionality to it, sort of really lets the richness of tone show itself. I feel like it also maybe is a bit brighter and revealing up top, but still smooth.

 

[Groove Doctor]

And before anybody asks, "No," I will not build up a 3x2500 watt version.

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[devnulljp]

OK, so I have a Dovecage and M700. Got a recording session on upright next week with an acoustic band. Thinking about using the dovecage as a preamp+DI -- Am I right I can just run it without the power amp and speakers, DI'ed straight to the board without doing any damage? I know you don't want to run a tube amp without a load, but how about just the preamp?

 

[Dave W]

OK, so I have a Dovecage and M700. Got a recording session on upright next week with an acoustic band. Thinking about using the dovecage as a preamp+DI -- Am I right I can just run it without the power amp and speakers, DI'ed straight to the board without doing any damage? I know you don't want to run a tube amp without a load, but how about just the preamp?

Yup, it'll be totally fine.

 

[juledude]

OK, so I have a Dovecage and M700. Got a recording session on upright next week with an acoustic band. Thinking about using the dovecage as a preamp+DI -- Am I right I can just run it without the power amp and speakers, DI'ed straight to the board without doing any damage? I know you don't want to run a tube amp without a load, but how about just the preamp?

The Dove Cage was doing just what you describe for a long time before the amp arrived. Bill is right.

The original idea was to have a small tube box, fun to play, that could handle the front end no matter what the amplification was (even the PA), and at the same time bring something quite special to the studio environment, special enough that the Producer would know you were the guy to bring in for subsequent Bass gigs.

The Dove Cage does not need any load. The DI out is 600 ohms. Perfect to the console.

 

[juledude]

Sorry about that Dave. My fingers are way faster than my brain.

I meant to say, "Dave is right."

 

[Dave W]

No worries at all!

 

[krispn]

I knew Bill would be understanding......I mean Dave

 

[BurningSkies]

The Dove Cage was doing just what you describe for a long time before the amp arrived. Bill is right.

The original idea was to have a small tube box, fun to play, that could handle the front end no matter what the amplification was (even the PA), and at the same time bring something quite special to the studio environment, special enough that the Producer would know you were the guy to bring in for subsequent Bass gigs.

The Dove Cage does not need any load. The DI out is 600 ohms. Perfect to the console.

Thank you for this vote of confidence.

 

[BurningSkies]

I knew Bill would be understanding......I mean Dave

Who's Dave?

 

[BurningSkies]

question J...I am currently plugging into a tech 21 RPM rack mounted unit (analog)...and from there going into an ampeg svt pro 4 which has a tube preamp.....I wasnt sure whether an external preamp that was a tube unit would be a problem running into an amp that had a tube preamp built in.....thats why I went with an analog RPM unit in front of the amp...any help would be appreciated........question 2.....I am considering going to an all tube bass head...possibly a reeves or an ampeg...are the monique's used in front of amps that are all tube...or is it unnesessary..thanks..

Moniques have been used in front of all kinds of amps. Tube, solid state, etc. All good. You're just getting more levels of tone-generation and gain staging along the way.

 

[juledude]

Who's Dave?

I think I've, for a long time, taken mild pleasure from sowing confusion.

Dave W is who I was referencing at the time, but there is a whole lot of understanding going on here.

 

[BurningSkies]

I think I've, for a long time, taken mild pleasure from sowing confusion.

Dave W is who I was referencing at the time, but there is a whole lot of understanding going on here.

The best part of anything like this is taking in the unsuspecting...

In the van this is known as the 'who's Chad? gambit'. If you can convince someone long enough to start explaining 'who chad is' you've won.

It goes along with a tactic known as 'where's Ben?!?!' Based on the presence of a very quiet player with us on the road. If you can say it convincingly, it'll make people freak out enough about having left Ben behind somewhere although he's either asleep in the back of the van or not on that particular road trip.

 

[Dave W]

I tried to find a "Dave's not here..." gif but it hasn't worked out.

 

[juledude]

question J...I am currently plugging into a tech 21 RPM rack mounted unit (analog)...and from there going into an ampeg svt pro 4 which has a tube preamp.....I wasnt sure whether an external preamp that was a tube unit would be a problem running into an amp that had a tube preamp built in.....thats why I went with an analog RPM unit in front of the amp...any help would be appreciated........question 2.....I am considering going to an all tube bass head...possibly a reeves or an ampeg...are the monique's used in front of amps that are all tube...or is it unnesessary..thanks..

Very much a preference thing. But you do have the choice.

Some players prefer going into the front of their amp and some prefer to join the signal chain later, POST preamp and EQ. I'd try both if they are available. Your choice is the only one that matters.

Some preamps have a "voice" that can not be avoided, and some can be transparent and beautifully pass the sound of our instrument and fingers. Depends on the design. The EQ also has a lot to do with this issue.

If you think about putting 2 or more EQs in series it begins to make sense. The EQ we all encounter most frequently is solely a "cut" device. It never adds anything. This kind of EQ can only remove hunks of the audio spectrum so that what is left "appears to be" more pronounced.

When we go through multiple EQs of this type, one after the other, it can mean that largely unpredictable hunks of our signal have been cut. If you have cut hunks out of the signal chain multiple times, what do you have left? I dunno, nor does anyone else. It still might sound good. Bypassing all that and going directly to the Amp Power Section is greatly more predictable - less has been cut out of the signal.

(Active EQs, Baxandalls and such, like the one in Monique, do not exhibit the above limitation.)

If the amp does not have an Effects Loop Return or a "power amp input" the only choice you have is to plug into the front Input. Things have the potential to get strange, maybe even "muddy," but that is by no means guaranteed. What one player calls "mud" another will call "chocolate." But you do have the choice.

Now I've gone and made myself hungry.