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Just Got My First (and last) Warmoth Jazz Neck

it was always my understanding that the warmoth unfinished necks and bodies need final sanding, and the frets needed leveling and the ends rounded.

Is that true regarding necks made with woods that don't REQUIRE a finish? If that's the case, I wasn't aware of that...and I would hope that for the amount of money that Warmoth charges for such necks (ebony, rosewood, etc.) that they would make it very clear that IF you purchase a neck that NEEDS NO finish, you would STILL have to finish the fretwork and sanding by yourself just as if you had purchased a neck that REQUIRES a finish...I seemingly doubt this though. Although I may be wrong.

As far as "final" sanding, the workmanship (besides the sharp edges) of this neck is superb...you can't find a sanding line or a flaw in it anywhere.
 
Thats strange, they didn't bevel the edges of the frets at all? They supposedly do that standard, but the site does say that by special request they will leave the edges square: Invalid Link Removed

Mine was finished and bound with black binding so can't comment on the fingerboard edges, but those frets on mine where really smooth.

The neck is heavy though, I need a broad strap to keep it from sliding.

I never said they weren't beveled at all. They ARE beveled...very slightly. Not nearly enough to avoid them feeling sharp. Perhaps it's the small fretwire...but small fretwire on a vintage Fender doesn't feel sharp like this on the edges.
 
Does not Chunky = "thick"?

I guess to some people it would...the overall shape and contour of this neck feels great. The round back is similar to a Marcus Miller jazz; a very good feeling neck as long as your hands don't rub against the edges of the fretboard.

I suppose if the edges of the fretboard were nice and rounded it would feel not as "a bit chunky" as I described. It's not abnormally thick. I like the actual contour of the neck itself.
 
I never said they weren't beveled at all. They ARE beveled...very slightly. Not nearly enough to avoid them feeling sharp. Perhaps it's the small fretwire...but small fretwire on a vintage Fender doesn't feel sharp like this on the edges.

That's why I asked... you said the bevels where nearly non existant, while the standard beveling is done on a 30 degree angle as you can read in the link I just supplied.
 
That's why I asked... you said the bevels where nearly non existant, while the standard beveling is done on a 30 degree angle as you can read in the link I just supplied.

Yes, I read that on the Warmoth site. They may be 30 degrees. Doesn't change the fact that they feel sharp and painful to rub your hand against though. If this is how all of their 30 degree fret bevels feel, then...

Perhaps it's due to the 30 degree bevel and the vintage fretwire. Whatever the case, on THIS neck, they need to be beveled more. A LOT more.
 
I guess to some people it would...the overall shape and contour of this neck feels great. The round back is similar to a Marcus Miller jazz; a very good feeling neck as long as your hands don't rub against the edges of the fretboard.

I suppose if the edges of the fretboard were nice and rounded it would feel not as "a bit chunky" as I described. It's not abnormally thick. I like the actual contour of the neck itself.

Hmmm... Well, if the neck is unfinished, break out a little sandpaper and smooth over those edges yourself - It's your neck, and as a non-vintage piece of gear will have little real resale (at least compared to the $$ you spent to buy it) so make it YOURS. If the only thing standing between you and being happy is some squared-off edges, I know that *I'd* break out some sand paper and go to work!
 
Hmmm... Well, if the neck is unfinished, break out a little sandpaper and smooth over those edges yourself - It's your neck, and as a non-vintage piece of gear will have little real resale (at least compared to the $$ you spent to buy it) so make it YOURS. If the only thing standing between you and being happy is some squared-off edges, I know that *I'd* break out some sand paper and go to work!

That's what I'm planning on doing. But, I read on the Warmoth site that ALL necks are dipped in sealer. While I seriously doubt that necks that require no finish are dipped in sealer, Warmoth of course is not clear on this on their website. Also, I can find nothing on their site that states that necks that require no finish require the purchaser to final sand the neck or dress/bevel the frets.
 
Hhhmmmmm...

I've had three necks from Warmoth, all within the last two or three years. All "unfinished" - 2 Wenge with bloodwood (fretted) and one fretless Wenge with Pau Ferro. The frets on both of mine feel like they were finished by a jeweller - beautifully smoothed off, bevelled and leveled. The edge of the fingerboard is a might angular, now that I think of it. Never bothered me. In fact keeps my hand nice and securely where I want it. Yup, they are all thickish, chunky, heavy necks. I made the adjustment from playing an Ibanez to the Warmoth neck with now trouble though.
 
The neck's a bit chunky. The "roundness" of the back of the neck feels good. But, here's the problem. That nice soft round C-curve of the back is completely at odds with the super sharp 90 degree angle feel of the edge of the fretboard. I've NEVER felt a neck so sharp at the edges of the fretboard. It just doesn't jive with the nice round contour feeling of the back of the neck. Not to mention that the bevels on the ends of the frets are nearly non-existent. Thus, the ends of the frets are SHARP. Combined with the sharp hard-edged fingerboard...let's just say that it's definitely not inviting to say the least.

The neck seems straight, the frets are all level...and I'm sure it's solid.

But, this neck FEELS made by a machine, if that makes any sense. I KNOW that it is, and that most factories use CNC machines now, but usually with most factories there is some handwork and massaging of details after the necks are simply cut. As such, MOST necks made by a machine don't FEEL made by a machine. I can't imagine someone going over this neck by hand afterward, picking it up the way it is now and saying, "Hmmm, this feels nice-I'm going to leave those sharp edges on the frets and not round over the edges of this fretboard at all." I mean, there is absolutely NO smoothing over of the fretboard edge whatsoever. It's so sharp that the wood alone feels like it could cut you...even though it probably couldn't. But, it FEELS like it!

This neck could be amazing with some refinement. This is my first Warmoth experience, so I'm not sure if they ALL have these hard edges. At least regarding this example that I've gotten, it defintely needs the fret edges bevelled more than they are and the edges of the fretboard sanded a bit...just so it doesn't HURT to play or even pick up. Then, it will be a good neck. As it is now, it feels the OPPOSITE of a nice inviting old Jazz neck...you know, the ones that when you pick them up they scream, "Play me!" because they just feel so contoured for your hand. This one screams, "Put me down! I'mma cutcha!!" ha ha...

Let me see if I can address some of your concerns.

- Initial work on necks and bodies is done by CNC, but final sanding is done by our staff. The old necks you refer to as being so smooth have had their edges rounded by decades of play. When those necks were brand new, they did not have that same rolling. The edges on Warmoth necks are not rolled like a vintage neck. Just how much to roll an edge is a personal preference and once the wood has been sanded off, its pretty darn difficult to put back on. Better to leave that to the customer if they so choose.

- Unfinished bodies as sanded to about 220 grit. That leaves some grain left to allow the finish to bite. Necks are sanded much finer. If you wanted to play them raw, you certainly can. No additional work is absolutely necessary. (Though maple still requires a finish for warranty purposes.)

- Frets are pressed and glued in. Standard procedure is to bevel the frets approximately 30 degrees. You can request no bevel. We don't do a fret level as it it our opinion this is best done with the instrument assembled and strung up. Our fretting process gets them pretty darn level though. The vast majority of players can string them up and play. If you have specific, low, action requirements then a setup and fret level may be necessary.

- If you feel sharp ends, I would ask if the frets are stainless steel. They can feel a little rougher. You mentioned vintage, so I'll guess 6230. That should not take much work if you want to round the fret ends. How much to ball and roll fret ends is another matter of tastes. Again, once you take it off, you can't put it back on. Additionally, unfinished wood, even exotics to a lesser extent, can absorb or release moisture. If you or the previous owner are in a much drier climate, the wood could have shrank and left the fret ends slightly exposed. I've even had this happen on my prized F-Bass. No wood is immune.

- All necks are dipped in a deep penetrating oil sealer. If you want to sand the edges of the neck, you should be OK. I use an old metal file to take down any exposed fret ends when I work on necks. After that, I use 3M Frecut sandpaper (I'll have to look up the grit.) and finally steel wool to clean up the edges.

- You're welcome to shoot some pictures and send them to me if you're still concerned about the neck. I may be able to make additional suggestions. ([email protected]) You'd still need to go back to the seller for any reparations/solutions though.
 
+1

That's what I was thinking. Warmoth necks are known for being a bit bigger than the standard Fender neck.

2 experiences with Warmoth necks :

1. Project Jazz bass: Ebony board un marked maple Jazz neck. Comparied to my 2000 MIA Fender Jazz (since sold) neck definently felt fatter. Nut width is advertised as standard 1.5". So had it shaved down a tad bit to match the MIA. Bass had a heavy body so ended up balancing well.

2. Replacement fretted neck for a Jaco artist series fretless. This time I opted for a maple/maple P bass neck. Man, this out of the box was a big 'ol chunky neck. Had it shaved down some and on the Jaco Jazz had a bit of neck dive (I know I could have added the Pickguard and some of the ashtrays...LOL). Decided to put the Jaco back original and swapped this neck on to my heavy late 70's P...this is where she'll stay. Plays great, opted for tung oil finish on the back and balances the vintage P perfectly.

Out of the box I do recall a little sharp on the fret edges but the Cigainero Bro's in Ft Worth always have taken care of that detail when they have worked on these for me.

Both of these necks were at the lowest price point for thier products and I am completely satisfied with them.

Would buy from them in a NY minute if and when the need arises....

:bassist:
 
Let me see if I can address some of your concerns.

- Initial work on necks and bodies is done by CNC, but final sanding is done by our staff. The old necks you refer to as being so smooth have had their edges rounded by decades of play. When those necks were brand new, they did not have that same rolling. The edges on Warmoth necks are not rolled like a vintage neck. Just how much to roll an edge is a personal preference and once the wood has been sanded off, its pretty darn difficult to put back on. Better to leave that to the customer if they so choose.

*****I realize that older necks MAY have their edges more rounded from years of play, but I've seen plenty of 30+ year old basses that weren't played enough to even wear through the finish on the edges of the neck, let alone wear the wood down. I'm sure SOME necks from 30-40yrs ago WERE pretty sharp on the edges as Fender's quality control was always lacking. But in no way were "most" basses over the years sent out the door with sharp edges such as this. I've picked up some brand new Fenders that had sharp edges on the fretboards...and put them right back on the rack. I realize that Warmoth necks are "not rolled like a vintage neck," but a sharp 90 degree edge is just a little harsh. I can't imagine anyone would actually prefer a neck THAT sharp.

- Unfinished bodies as sanded to about 220 grit. That leaves some grain left to allow the finish to bite. Necks are sanded much finer. If you wanted to play them raw, you certainly can. No additional work is absolutely necessary. (Though maple still requires a finish for warranty purposes.)

*****The neck's sanding regarding the finish and the quality of the wood is impecable.

- Frets are pressed and glued in. Standard procedure is to bevel the frets approximately 30 degrees. You can request no bevel. We don't do a fret level as it it our opinion this is best done with the instrument assembled and strung up. Our fretting process gets them pretty darn level though. The vast majority of players can string them up and play. If you have specific, low, action requirements then a setup and fret level may be necessary.

*****The fret leveling is superb as is the detail on the bevel on every fret. It's just that they are so damn sharp...and they ARE beveled on this neck. And, I WOULD hope that for the money Warmoth necks cost new that the vast majority of players BETTER be able to string them up and play...that's a basic requirement.

- If you feel sharp ends, I would ask if the frets are stainless steel. They can feel a little rougher. You mentioned vintage, so I'll guess 6230. That should not take much work if you want to round the fret ends. How much to ball and roll fret ends is another matter of tastes. Again, once you take it off, you can't put it back on. Additionally, unfinished wood, even exotics to a lesser extent, can absorb or release moisture. If you or the previous owner are in a much drier climate, the wood could have shrank and left the fret ends slightly exposed. I've even had this happen on my prized F-Bass. No wood is immune.

*****The frets are not stainless steel; and, they are 6230 as indicated on the heel. I realize that how much to roll the fret ends is a matter of taste, but again...I can't imagine ANYONE wanting them specifically sharp like this. Even my $50 Johnson Jazz bass copy has reasonably rolled fret edges and a rolled fretboard...but I am in no way comparing Johnson quality to Warmoth. But, the EDGES of that Johnson neck (though not the rest of it) are much more inviting to the touch-and that's a big statement to make. Also, I am down in the swamps of Louisiana; we are literally soaking in humidity at all times.

- All necks are dipped in a deep penetrating oil sealer. If you want to sand the edges of the neck, you should be OK. I use an old metal file to take down any exposed fret ends when I work on necks. After that, I use 3M Frecut sandpaper (I'll have to look up the grit.) and finally steel wool to clean up the edges.

*****This concerns me. So, unlike say a Fender rosewood fretboard neck which has NO sealer or finish at all on the fretboard, you're confirming that all Warmoth rosewood fretboards (and necks) have an oil sealer applied...even on, say, a Warmoth-painted maple neck with a rosewood fretboard? If I sand parts of THIS neck, won't that sealer be removed changing the character of the wood's "finish" where I sand if there is an oil sealer on it? I definitely do NOT want that. I realize a penetrating oil sealer is NOT the same as a "finished" neck, but I want to confirm that if I sand any part of this neck (using a properly graded sandpaper regimen) will or will not a finish will be removed at those areas? Again, I do NOT want the wood's appearance/finish to be different at the areas that I sand along the edges. When I used to hand-sand scallops, I would go down to around 600 grit sandpaper and then use a machine disc polisher with a terrycloth bonnet soaked with lemon oil to polish raw rosewood to a mirror shine. Is this possible with a Warmoth neck, or will the "penetrating oil sealer" pose a problem? Or, will the oil-sealed wood polish out the same as raw rosewood would?

- You're welcome to shoot some pictures and send them to me if you're still concerned about the neck. I may be able to make additional suggestions. ([email protected]) You'd still need to go back to the seller for any reparations/solutions though.

I'm not looking for reparations or solutions...it's not THAT big of a deal. I'm very happy with the neck for what I paid, and like I said...it sure is perty. I was just alarmed at the super sharp aggressive nature of the edges of the fretboard and frets and thought other bassists would like to know about this aspect of Warmoth necks if they are going to shell out hundreds of dollars for what is marketed as a premium product.


Thanks for responding, and please let me know regarding the penetrating oil sealer and the effects of sanding that will result.
 
I'm not looking for reparations or solutions...it's not THAT big of a deal. I'm very happy with the neck for what I paid, and like I said...it sure is perty. I was just alarmed at the super sharp aggressive nature of the edges of the fretboard and frets and thought other bassists would like to know about this aspect of Warmoth necks if they are going to shell out hundreds of dollars for what is marketed as a premium product.


Thanks for responding, and please let me know regarding the penetrating oil sealer and the effects of sanding that will result.

No worries. This is a productive and informative conversation!

- Even unfinished fingerboards on finished necks will have sealer on them. If you only want to break the edges of the fingerboard and roll them, I doubt you'd see a difference. If one were to reshape the back contour or re-radius the fingerboard, you may see some coloration differences. Lemon oil, a little nose grease (serious!), finger grime, etc.. can darken up the wood. Warmoth has used the same sealer for a long, long time. I have not heard of any problems with our oil sealer and lemon oil. I've not tried that approach to polishing, so no absolute guarantees, but it sounds reasonable.

- You indicated a high humidity climate. I would expect the wood to swell slightly in those conditions. It would be much more likely to feel the fret slots rather than sharp fret ends. (In other words, the exact opposite of what you've experienced.) If you're willing to shoot me a pic or two of the frets/fret ends, I'd like to see the neck. If nothing else, to satisfy my own curiousity of this neck.

- I've worked at Warmoth for about four years now and in that time I've done QC on Showcase products and been Returns Manager. A neck with the sharp edges as described, both wood and fret, would not have passed QC. If necks like that were common, I suspect I would have been bludgeoned to death by our customers with returns. Thankfully, that has not been the case.
 
I realize this thread is an older one, but I have to chime in...I have had a few necks from Warmoth over the years, and I too, have been disappointed with the sharp edges and the way it made the neck feel very machined, and not very inviting. I am now working on another project (i manage a guitar shop in South Carolina and have been selling, playing, working on guitars for well over 20 years)

So, I called Warmoth to discuss ordering a neck...I explained my concern about the sharp edges, and while Rob was very pleasant to talk with, basically, they will not budge when it comes to this rolling of edges. I understand the argument of the amount of roll or bevel on the edges being a personal taste, but to send the necks out with sharp edges that actually hurt your hand?????

I do quite a bit of custom builds and modifications and would like to spread my orders around, but it looks like I'm sticking with USACG...they just seem a lot more willing to help...and their necks have been really great.