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Justin Chancellor's Setup

#66
I was really only trolling with KPAX as he seemed easily annoyed...sorry. (thought i was on tooltabs for a sec)

I may have been wrong to assert he never played a rick, but he was never really a rick guy, always a ray/wal guy. the gig where he played pauls rick sounds interesting and i'd love to see it.

as for getting his tone without a wal....well you can get ballpark, a justin esque...but you really do need a wal. i hate admitting it as wal's are impossible for normal folk to get, but the wal, the way he plays it and his pedal setup are the key. his amp rig also, but to a lesser extent. just look at toolbassplayer/walbassplayer on youtube, if he had a MIM jazz into a trace elliot i doubt many would be kissing his ass as there are. (not that i've anything against anyone who buys the exact rig as their idols, if i could afford it i would too)

A stingray wont get you JC tone, theres not enough grit and mid.

for the record though, i did meet JC, he was a lovely guy.


oh and to throw another spanner in, paul co wrote pupoopie, aenima, stinkfist and eulogy before he left!
 
#67
Bassmingo said:
I was really only trolling with KPAX as he seemed easily annoyed...sorry. (thought i was on tooltabs for a sec)

I may have been wrong to assert he never played a rick, but he was never really a rick guy, always a ray/wal guy. the gig where he played pauls rick sounds interesting and i'd love to see it.

as for getting his tone without a wal....well you can get ballpark, a justin esque...but you really do need a wal. i hate admitting it as wal's are impossible for normal folk to get, but the wal, the way he plays it and his pedal setup are the key. his amp rig also, but to a lesser extent. just look at toolbassplayer/walbassplayer on youtube, if he had a MIM jazz into a trace elliot i doubt many would be kissing his ass as there are. (not that i've anything against anyone who buys the exact rig as their idols, if i could afford it i would too)

A stingray wont get you JC tone, theres not enough grit and mid.

for the record though, i did meet JC, he was a lovely guy.


oh and to throw another spanner in, paul co wrote pupoopie, aenima, stinkfist and eulogy before he left!
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That kind of explains why I think of him as the bassist when I mention them instead of Justin. I swear, Aenima sounds more like a Paul song than Justin.
 
#71
gibsualdo said:
Last I checked, the general consensus between Wal players over on the Bass Guitar forum, seemed to be that the Bongo is the closest sounding bass to one. Just a shame they're so damn ugly to look at.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :)

The looks are starting to grow on me. Wether you find them ugly or not, the most important thing why this bass sells is the incredible sound.
I'm gassing for a 6-string fretless Bongo myself.

In stealthy black those instruments look allright to me. :)
I would be proud to own one.
 
#72
What about the 2-pickup version of the MM Stingray? Is it similar sounding to the Bongo? I haven't checked either out very closely but going on memory they seem to have similar looking pickups and placement.

gibsualdo said:
Last I checked, the general consensus between Wal players over on the Bass Guitar forum, seemed to be that the Bongo is the closest sounding bass to one. Just a shame they're so damn ugly to look at.
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#73
I've not taken part in any wal discussions on this forum, but i have on others. the popular idea is that the wal's preamp is its secret weapon. i'm not sure offhand of its specifications but i do know it has a parametric eq onboard.....you're going to need a bass with similar pickups and preamp to get even close. you cant get the pre's on their own though.

so at the moment, the only way to really sound like a wal is to get a wal. rays, bongos etc will only get you halfway there IMO.
 
#74
does jc favor one pup over the other?

though i am sure his gk/mesa rig sounds killin, i think it is his recorded/live tone that we all love, which his engineers & the sickest studio/live gear have a lot to do with.
also, any word on how they record his bass? di's? mic'd? clean vs dirty signals? guitar amps? etc...
 
#76
Bassmingo said:
I've not taken part in any wal discussions on this forum, but i have on others. the popular idea is that the wal's preamp is its secret weapon. i'm not sure offhand of its specifications but i do know it has a parametric eq onboard.....you're going to need a bass with similar pickups and preamp to get even close. you cant get the pre's on their own though.

so at the moment, the only way to really sound like a wal is to get a wal. rays, bongos etc will only get you halfway there IMO.
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i believe i read that wal used filters in their pres, not standard eq's. i do not know anything about wal parametrics (simply acknowledging my own ignorance). the only other company that i know that does this is alembic. alembic will sell it's pre w/out a bass, but it'll cost ya.

if only there was an official wal website.
 
#77
an HH Bongo with fresh Slinkys on can get close to a "Chancellor" Tone, although I find that most any bass with a fresh set of Slinkys on and using a pick can start to hone in on Justin's sound. as has been said, don't forget that A LOT OF IT has to do with one's hands both picking and fretting.
 
#78
Psychicpet said:
an HH Bongo with fresh Slinkys on can get close to a "Chancellor" Tone, although I find that most any bass with a fresh set of Slinkys on and using a pick can start to hone in on Justin's sound. as has been said, don't forget that A LOT OF IT has to do with one's hands both picking and fretting.
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very true, my ray with fresh strings gets me close, but only in the upper register stuff (46&2, schism etc) for the lower range stuff you need that mid growl that i've never really tried to get and the reason is this:

i've been a tool fan for years, since just before aenima came out. JC was a big influence on my playing from 96 onwards, so much so that when lateralus came out in 01 and my then bandmates heard it they all said "dude, he sounds like you!" not "dude, you sound like justin!" the weird thing was that both jc and myself were experimenting with the same sounds at the same time, now i'm not comparing my playing to his, just that we kinda went in the same direction, effects wise.



i kinda changed my approach after that...i made a point not to try and emulate his tone...as much as i love it. but i'll help any tool fan that wants to, i have no right to judge. its forgivable as he's one of my favourite players.


but back on topic, you'll also have to study his rig. Check out brad from tooltabs (toolbassplayer) on youtube. his tour of his pedalboard (which is pretty much JC's) these pedals, with a decent wall like bass should get you in the ballpark.

Link
 
#79
thombo said:
does jc favor one pup over the other?

though i am sure his gk/mesa rig sounds killin, i think it is his recorded/live tone that we all love, which his engineers & the sickest studio/live gear have a lot to do with.
also, any word on how they record his bass? di's? mic'd? clean vs dirty signals? guitar amps? etc...
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All I know is he uses an XLR output from the Wal straight into the board, then he goes through his monster pedal board to split to a clean channel through a GK2001-RB with Mesa RoadReady 8x10 cab, and then a ProCo TurboRat with a Boss GEB-7 EQ after it into another GK2001-RB and a Mesa Roadready 8x10 dirty channel.

So pretty much, he has three channels off the bat. Who knows what mics he uses, I wanna say he probably uses something like a Beta 52 on his clean channel.
 
#80
thombo said:
i believe i read that wal used filters in their pres, not standard eq's. i do not know anything about wal parametrics (simply acknowledging my own ignorance). the only other company that i know that does this is alembic. alembic will sell it's pre w/out a bass, but it'll cost ya.

if only there was an official wal website.
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Correct on the pre-amp EQ.

There's a knob that you turn that filters out, because I've seen Walbassplayer use the knob to do a trick on The Patient that Justin does in the original track, it sounds like a wah type filter. So it's probably a filter EQ.
 

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