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Kanye West is a douche

#25
Matt Till said:
So, we're mad at Kanye because he sampled something? Am I understanding this right?

Welcome to rap music... you'll be surprised to find quite a number of rap artists sample.
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No, he just did a crap job of it. There's a lot of sample-based rap songs that I love. For example "Ghost Ride It" by Mistah Fab cracks me up. I think Kanye's is bad in particular because it's a vocal-based track in the first place, and having someone rap over it is just distracting.

Also I think a lot of the people in this thread are taking his spoiled hissy-fits into account.
 
#28
dancehallclasher said:
No, he just did a crap job of it. There's a lot of sample-based rap songs that I love. For example "Ghost Ride It" by Mistah Fab cracks me up. I think Kanye's is bad in particular because it's a vocal-based track in the first place, and having someone rap over it is just distracting.

Also I think a lot of the people in this thread are taking his spoiled hissy-fits into account.
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i love "ghost ride it." :D



"ghost ride, ghost ride
get out the way and let casper drive.
ghost ride,
go crazy.
who's that drivin'? patrick swayze!"
 
#33
I think the sampling in that song is top notch, actually. He develops a different melody with the samples, as opposed to just rapping over them. The song also has a great structure that moves and builds up. As far as sampling goes, this is one of the best examples I can name. Any of the haters care to explain their POV?
 
#35
hbarcat said:
To all of you people who think that great music is created by sampling great music of the past, I say:

You're all mega-douchebags! :spit:
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Hey, I appreciate great music of all ages. I'm not saying that songs should be made by playing a classic song and having some dude rap over it. That's not what sampling is, or rather, should be. I'm wondering what makes that song bad. What about the song makes it not good enough for you?
 
#36
I dig good sampling. DJ Shadow's "Entroducing" is nothing BUT samples, and I think it's incredible. And that's just one of at least 100 sample heavy albums that I really dig.

And to be honest, Kanye West samples well at times. The new Common CD samples the drum intro from "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover" and I think it works well. Despite my low opinion of him as a person, he's a can be a good producer, especially for mainstream hip-hop, which admittedly is not my favorite genre these days.

As for sampling, there is a difference between using a snippet as part of a larger collage of sound and wholesale appropriation. In that regard, Kanye has a number of people ahead of him in terms of crimes against music:

Puffy Combs - "Kashmir" and "Every Breath You Take" for starters. Ugh.

Will Smith - I didn't think he could stoop any lower than using Stevie Wonder's "I Wish" for promoting his garbage film "Wild Wild West", but then I hear him using The Clash's "Rock the Casbah" as the backing track for his crappy "Willenium" song.

I have a healthy respect for turntablists, DJs or producers who can build songs from a pastiche of samples, but just using a good song as a backdrop for rapping over is talentless hack work.
 
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#37
Drake Kennedy said:
I think the sampling in that song is top notch, actually. He develops a different melody with the samples, as opposed to just rapping over them. The song also has a great structure that moves and builds up. As far as sampling goes, this is one of the best examples I can name. Any of the haters care to explain their POV?
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I agree, it is one of the better rap-esque songs I hav heard on the radio lately.
 
#40
Drake Kennedy said:
Hey, I appreciate great music of all ages. I'm not saying that songs should be made by playing a classic song and having some dude rap over it. That's not what sampling is, or rather, should be. I'm wondering what makes that song bad. What about the song makes it not good enough for you?
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You're missing the point. Imagination in music is almost DEAD! The top of the charts these days is saturated with remakes of songs from past decades. New songs are almost entirely created by "artists" getting their ideas by filling in templates on computer programs. Genuine music that is fresh and innovative is usually ridiculed as unapproachable and boring and so few listen to it that it gets little support.

The typical popular music listener isn't even interested enough in quality to care whether or not the song has a beginning or end, dynamics or phrasing, melody or harmony; as long as it has a HOOK with a driving beat that can be heard loud and clear on their iPod, then they're convinced that they're hearing music perfection. :rollno:
 

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