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Keyboard Player Is a Piano Player

I was kinda the piano player in that situation this year.... Playing keyboards in a funk band, with my previous experience being classical lessons, some not-quite-there jazz attempts (and a bunch of bass playing). The band died recently, alas, for mostly unrelated reasons.

Anyway, I definitely knew that I had homework to do, and worked really hard on it. It was fun but almost overwhelming. Things that helped me:

- Setlists: for the first gig they chose a largely guitar-and-bass-driven setlist where the keyboard parts were pretty easy and/or repetitive.
- General workload: each new song could be a lot of work for me, so I was pretty happy the more we could limit new songs at each gig and keep old material in rotation.
- Feedback: I had an idea what to do, but not necessarily which was most important to get to first, so any feedback (like "the riff that ends the verses is an important cue for the singers, make sure you get it") helped me prioritize.
- Recording: Any time I could listen back to a band recording it helped me identify the biggest problems and, again, prioritize.

Out of curiosity: do you know which Yamaha, exactly? Yamaha makes a huge range of keyboards.

The issue for me with keyboard gear is it can be pretty expensive and time-consuming to learn your way around. So it's a big commitment to make while you're all still trying to figure out if the band is going to work.

I totally understand that it's not always realistic to find someone who can hit the ground running. It's a bad sign if they've already played together a couple times and he doesn't seem to be improving. You want to have evidence that he can listen and learn stuff. But if nobody's actually explained what you need from him, then maybe that's what's needed.
 
keys / piano is my first instrument ( since 1963 ) bass is second ( since 1973 )

block chords aren't really needed , but makes more sense than just scratching your junk with your left hand ... just turn the low end down and play away ... but with 2 guitars , that's not really needed either ..

playing 'keys' means showing up with several good sound patches ready to go for classic rock ... a few pianos , rock type organs with decent Leslie fx , a few electric pianos , piano/string patches, some synth and horn patches ...

finding a keyboard that can do that stuff is Not as costly as it used to be ..!!

but ... if 'piano man ' has never been in a band , then he probably is clueless about programming and layering keyboard sounds ... let alone multi keyboard midi setups ..!

if it was my band , he wouldn't cut it .
 
Sit down with the keyboardist over a coffee or beer. Tell him you love his playing, but that in a and context, it's important that no one steps on the sonic space of others. Bring some examples from the songs you are doing. He is probably used to being the lone player. He has to understand what to do (and not do). Remember, the first few times he played with them, there was no bass player.
 
I play in a mostly covers classic rock (with some soul / groove) group. Currently it's 2 guitars, bass (we all sing), and drums. We are all very experienced (thousands of shows played each) and pretty good at what we do individually, and as a band. We don't really have an official band leader, but I'm certainly the low man on the totem pole as I've found out when trying to negotiate our stage setup so I can stand next to the drummer and having been shot down categorically with no good reason given... The other 3 guys have known / played with each other for a long time and I've "only" known the guitarist for 7 years... That having been said it's a good group of guys, we communicate well for the most part, and we're friends.

So I go away for a few weeks, and I'm told there is a keyboard player coming on board, which we've talked about before. Great! I'm psyched. They jammed with him a couple of times while I was away. We schedule a rehearsal when I'm back. I meet the keyboard player, he's cool, nice guy. He has performance experience, but he's never played in a band before. He's a piano player, not a keyboard player. He's doing block chords with two octaves on the left hand the whole time. We all have pro gear and he's got a cheap yamaha keyboard which has no decent rhodes, wurly, or hammond sounds, he hasn't learned any of the actual keyboard parts for the covers.

So after the jam, one of the guys asks me what I think, and I more or less tell him--nice guy, has some talent, but is not a "keyboard player" and needs a lot of work before he would be gig ready with us. But at the same time I conceded that there are no experienced players with nord electros knocking on our door. He more or less agreed. I text one of the other guys (who was telling this "keyboard" player how good he sounded after the rehearsal) and let him know my issues, that I don't think he's a good fit. No response.

The goal for this band is to play a few local / regional gigs a month (for money), and to sound professional. I play in another band already so my "play music" fix is covered... So, what would you do in this situation?

handcuff his left hand to the bandstand

problem solved
 
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Been playing church 3 services a week for 10 years, plus a weekly practice. Almost zero membership turnover. When I got in there, too many guitars. A few eventually leave. The keys was actually an old tent meeting Hammond player who was, and is, SUPER GREAT on organ. Problem was he spent a career as a one-man band. Once a couple of the guitars left I told him, "Hey, don't play below middle C and I know it will be tough but don't press those foot pedals - just keep time on them if you want. The low end is all me." He smiled and totally got it, laughed, and said it would kill him to learn a new way - but he loved doing it. A pro player for sure. Pro attitude. He's on the old Hammond church model with the full-blown rank of pedals at the feet - B3 guts in that thing - what a sound!

My point is you should be crystal clear with this person. Crystal clear.
 
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The fact that they tell you where to stand tells me how much they value your opinion. Then they hire a keyboard player without you? Unless you are a hired gun, I'd move on. I doubt they will support you when you try to get him to stop walking all over your bass lines.

The first thing I do when I play keyboards in a band is tell the bass player that if I'm getting in his territory to let me know. Might as well get it out of the way upfront. However, I use my ears and I've never had anyone complain.

On a small rant, I'll never understand why anyone would tolerate such disrespectful behavior. Either I'm a member of the band or I'm not.
 
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The most telling difference is that a keyboardist will will play horn and string parts. A pianist won't stoop to that level.

Hah, yes, as a pianist trying to be a keyboardist, I plead guilty.

In my defense: covering horn parts can be *hard*. (String parts not as much, but it's still pretty different from playing piano.) So it's not just some kind of snobbery....
 
I knew that’s what this thread was about. Chop off the keyboardist’s left hand.

Seriously, I’ve had to have this conversation with pianists before. They’ll get it if you explain that any time you two aren’t playing the same note, it’s heard as a clam. Frame it that you got the low end and he can concentrate on all kinds of fancy stuff up top. Not a comprehensive explanation but it’s worked so far.
 
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Dang, am I glad I ran across this thread. My Piano background is Classical and I wanted to get a keyboard (Yamaha CP4) and just figured I could jump right in (fat chance) I don't want to hijack the thread but is this a good choice? I can see I need to find a keyboardist and pick his brain. It's been 12/14 years since I played Piano but I won't have to relearn I can just start with the keys.
 
Dang, am I glad I ran across this thread. My Piano background is Classical and I wanted to get a keyboard (Yamaha CP4) and just figured I could jump right in (fat chance) I don't want to hijack the thread but is this a good choice? I can see I need to find a keyboardist and pick his brain. It's been 12/14 years since I played Piano but I won't have to relearn I can just start with the keys.

With a classical background, IMHO the best thing you can probably do is buy/study some good books on how to properly voice chords. My observation is legit musicians typically have different skill sets, musical priorities, and mental processes than improvisationally-focused musicians.
 
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I think they were making the point that a lot of keyboardists are great pianists, but a lot of pianists aren’t great keyboardists.

I totally get what the point was, but it's a gross over generalization that is inaccurate and not really helpful in understand the underlying problem. See post #35 for a hint at what I think is closer to the truth ;).
 
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I knew that’s what this thread was about. Chop off the keyboardist’s left hand.

Seriously, I’ve had to have this conversation with pianists before. They’ll get it if you explain that any time you two aren’t playing the same note, it’s heard as a clam. Frame it that you got the low end and he can concentrate on all kinds of fancy stuff up top. Not a comprehensive explanation but it’s worked so far.

NO CHOP OFF HIS HEAD