There is no forest.
That is the point in pointing out the reductio ad absurdum. It's considered a classical logical fallacy for a reason.
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Kids on leashes
- Thread starter MakiSupaStar
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There is no forest.
That is the point in pointing out the reductio ad absurdum. It's considered a classical logical fallacy for a reason.
I really wouldn't care that you or someone else would be judging me, my son's safety is more important than your opinion of me.No offense, just saying.
Well, thats kinda the crux here, as I see it. Some people are getting up in arms about being judged for their use of the leash. Fact is, people are judged every day for hundreds of different reasons. From the way one wears their hair, to the clothes on their back. Why be bothered because I think your kid on a leash looks funny?
because someone's wrong on the Internet dude, you know how that works!
In a serious note though - it's not that it's deemed "funny-looking", it's the implication that one is somehow a bad or lazy parent based solely on that. That's kinda crazy IMO.
tZer said:
Missed the point again. To you previous post, I'd suggest to you that even parents with the best intent can make some horrible decisions. Said another way, just because you mean well doesn't make your parenting decisions correct.
BTW: ALL kids will bolt into the street without parental correction. ALL kids will run from their parents in a crowded building at some time. Let's not pretend otherwise. If my 3 year old or 2 year old start to cross the street without looking, I can stop them with one word....not by tugging their leash. It took training to get them to that point, but none of that training required a leash.
Do any of your kids have developmental disabilities and could you tell with a quick glance who's kids may?
aborgman said:
Hey, Aaron, what's the Latin phrase for the debate tactic of throwing out Latin phrases to avoid the actual debate at hand?
Relic said:No, just odd. Why would you tie your child down when you could just install a rail? I did that for all my kids.
We used a stroller for quite a while actually. First was the baby stroller, then we used the umbrella stroller thing when they got older. I like that better than the leash actually because it restrains the child safely while also allowing them to keep up with everyone. We never really had to use the leash on son #1 though because he outgrew the urge to bolt away and wander off pretty quickly. I would have used it if I needed to though. I really wouldn't care that you or someone else would be judging me, my son's safety is more important than your opinion of me.
As it should be. The opinion of a stranger on the Internet is irrelevant.
You got lucky.
You still got lucky. As others have tried to point out before, not every child is the same. Even without developmental disabilities, to be able get a kid to follow your direction without fail is not only difficult but a random chance depending on the kid. Even the best of parents have trouble with that.
hdracer said:
Consider yourself lucky.
FWIW, accidents are the leading cause of death among autistic children. By a longshot.
Last week a kid with Dravet syndrome ( similar to what my daughter has) went for a "final swim" in their neighbor's pool. They don't know if he had a seizure or just fell in. His parents were apparently briefly distracted by one of their other kids.
Only takes a moment and one mistake . . .
Absolutely. As are most sweeping generalizations.
I disagree that its "random chance depending on the kid" but rather understanding the way an individual child learns and teachign to that strength. Yes, every parent will have trouble figuring that out, but I dont think I would call that "random chance". This whole "debate" is reminiscent of the whole "smacking your child" issue.
Actually I have three and thought Kwesi nailed it quite well.
Every kid that I had was a learning experience, what worked for one didn't work for the other. there was definitely a different parenting style needed for each
And how many children have you raised?
This is the problem. People give up and say it is to hard.
Being a parent IS hard.
Depends.
If by "trained" you mean: immediately and obediently obeying my every command instantaneously without hesitation or question, then no
If you mean, usually doing what I tell them to do, occasionally testing my authority and occasionally doing the goofy things that kids are wont to do, then yes.
Tell me about it
Except this time, tZer has reversed his role. Now he's the one saying "Is your kid mine? Have you ever been in this situation? Then keep your mouth shut because you don't know what you're talking about!"
Not that it isn't the wrong stance to take, of course
I consider leashes for kids (who are healthy with no mitigating issues) to be more than just demeaning. I believe they are a poor substitute for teaching your children how to learn to understand what their limits are and how to recognize them.
Traditionally, we teach our kids, when they're toddlers, that they aren't permitted to just wander off. But when they eventually do, we go and get them and make sure they understand that they broke the rules and there are negative consequenses (such as a time out or whatever else might be appropriate).
This is part of a learning process that sets up a type of thinking in a child's head that makes them always aware of what their boundaries are. They know that even though they might be capable of running off they will instead employ some self discipline and stay put.
Use a leash and the only thing a child learns is - the boundary is where the leash ends. Eventually, the leash will no longer be used and the kid will need to start from the very beginning to learn how to use self discipline in respecting boundaries. Now, instead of you chasing after a toddler who is learning about boundaries, you're chasing after an older kid who is a lot faster and a lot harder to catch.
