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Lakland Owners Group #69

Since getting my 2005 Skyline JO4 I've been on the hunt for the right pickups- it is quite a warm bass inherently and I like a fair amount of growl, bite and punch (using Roto RS66 strings). I've always had a bit of a love/hate relationship with J-basses in general (apart from my first bass 20 years ago, I've never kept any Jazz bass longer than a couple years), but I decided to stick it out with this one as it feels so good. I have no predetermined need for humbucking (split-coils) J pickups, but so far seem to slightly prefer them tonally with a few exceptions.
My experiments so far:

-Fralin Singles- the stock pickups from the bass. Too warm and indistinct/muddy for me on this bass, though they do sound great in certain mixes and on brighter basses.

-Fralin Split-coils- surprisingly a bit clearer and with more growl than the singles, though with less extension on top. Better but not quite there.

-Nordstrand NJ4SE Split-coils- I have tried the SV set on a previous bass and remembered them being too aggressive at the time. This set is similar- a TON of upper-mid bite and punch, but maybe too much so and pretty tight in the lows (maybe too much so). I do like these alot though! No hum, but a decent amount of buzz when you take your hands off the strings.

-Duncan-Designed/ SJB-1 Singles- These might be my favorite single coil pickups so far. The Duncan-designed set is the one found on older Squier VM basses and is very similar to the SJB-1 set IME, but a little tighter and lower output. Probably the best deal of any good J set (especially if you can get a used set of the Duncan-designed p'ups, though the SJBs are relatively cheap too).

-Fender Super 55 Split-coils- I really dig these. Great growl and punch, and more clarity than either of the Fralin sets IMO. Can get a bit clanky on higher tone settings. No hum and just a little buzz when you take your hands off the strings.

-Delano JMVC4 FE/M2 Split-coils- These are the ones with the large Stingray-esque polepieces. As a big G&L L2000/L1000 fan I've always wanted to try these. They really do seem to split the difference between the immediate punch of an MM or G&L and the give/growl of a Fender. Lots of clarity and depth, and plenty bite and growl when you play hard (they have a bit of that naturally compressed flavor that I loved in my G&L that makes it easy to get different tones based on dynamic changes). These are easier to control clank with and the tone knob seems to be the most useable with this set to get different character. They might be a bit scooped compared to the others I've tried thus far, but I'll have to hear them in a mix to really be sure. They are totally silent, even when taking your hands off the strings!

For now I'm am split between the Delano set and the Fender Super 55s, with a current lean towards the Delanos. Also curious about Lollar J singles, as they make perhaps my favorite vintage-style P pickup.
 
I woke up this morning, had coffee, hooked up the GB Shuttlemax 9.2 to the Bergantino AE410, pulled out the DJ5 and put her through the paces. All she needed was a little tweak of the truss and the setup was done. I sanded the neck, oiled and waxed it, it's like silk now. The tone is exactly what is wanted, I'm usually a 60's spacing kinda guy, but this one just has that special quality. I got industious and looked through my material on hand and had enough black single ply to make a pickguard. I did the tracing and cut it out, a bit of sanding for the fit, bored the screw holes, countersunk them and slapped it on. I like the black. The pick guard is not perfect, but I've never made one before and didn't feel like using the router. It looks sexy, yet sinister.

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If I'm not mistaken all of the Lakland J basses use 60s Jazz spacing...
 
I thought the DJ's were 70s spacing. If it is 60s dpacing, then it makes sense why I like it!
I've seen it stated both ways, but just from comparing them visually I am fairly confident they are both 60s spacing. If you have a chance, measure the distance from the center of the neck pickup to the center of the bridge pickup- on my JO it is about 3 9/16" (or 2 13/16" from inner edge of pickup to inner edge). If the DJ is 70s spacing it should be about 1/2" farther. We can figure out for sure!
 
I woke up this morning, had coffee, hooked up the GB Shuttlemax 9.2 to the Bergantino AE410, pulled out the DJ5 and put her through the paces. All she needed was a little tweak of the truss and the setup was done. I sanded the neck, oiled and waxed it, it's like silk now. The tone is exactly what is wanted, I'm usually a 60's spacing kinda guy, but this one just has that special quality. I got industious and looked through my material on hand and had enough black single ply to make a pickguard. I did the tracing and cut it out, a bit of sanding for the fit, bored the screw holes, countersunk them and slapped it on. I like the black. The pick guard is not perfect, but I've never made one before and didn't feel like using the router. It looks sexy, yet sinister.

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Looks great Tex!
 
3 5/8 on my DJ4
From pickup center to pickup center? That suggests that the DJ and the JO have the same spacing (my measurement on my JO was rough and only off yours by 1/16")...Check out this picture of a 60s and 70s Jazz sitting next to each other- the visual difference is very obvious (whereas DJs and JOs look to have the same spacing):
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(photo from TB'er Narud) vs (this is the best quick pic I could find!):
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(photo from TB'er Albass111)

Its funny- if you go onto the Lakland DJ page, there is an obviously modified picture (the first one under "Options") where the bridge pickup actually appears to be in 70s spacing: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
 
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Hey Basspraiser, 2 questions.

1 - I've heard rumors of the Short scale hollow body possibly being made in new colors. Is there any truth to this? Cause if so I'll be very excited.

2 - Strangely one of the only Laklands Ive never played is the standard 44-01. Weird right? Anyway, I have a bite on an open box model, otherwise brand new, for a very, very ridiculous price. I'm a big jazz bass guy (and I can tolerate Lakland Ps) but is the 44-01 decent enough to pick up as a "just for the hell of it" bass cause the price is so good? I mean hey, Lakland has become the only bass I'll buy, so again, why not? Haha.

PS - A Ben Kenney limited run?....omg. Just the thought of that even being brought up as a possible rumor gets my GAS going! Haha
 
Hey Basspraiser, 2 questions.

1 - I've heard rumors of the Short scale hollow body possibly being made in new colors. Is there any truth to this? Cause if so I'll be very excited.

2 - Strangely one of the only Laklands Ive never played is the standard 44-01. Weird right? Anyway, I have a bite on an open box model, otherwise brand new, for a very, very ridiculous price. I'm a big jazz bass guy (and I can tolerate Lakland Ps) but is the 44-01 decent enough to pick up as a "just for the hell of it" bass cause the price is so good? I mean hey, Lakland has become the only bass I'll buy, so again, why not? Haha.

PS - A Ben Kenney limited run?....omg. Just the thought of that even being brought up as a possible rumor gets my GAS going! Haha

The 44/55-01 is a great addition to any stable and is a great bass to mod. It's been said a hundred times, but the first mod to this series should be the pre. The pups are basically soapbar P-pickups, but they sound great with a better pre, the US Bartolini NTMB or LH3 is a great start. There are so many pickup options, chisonics, big singles, fat stacks, big splits, Aguilar soapbars, Bartolini soapbars that you will be able to find you sound. I was convinced that I would not like the 01 series, but after the pre change, I play it more than my 5502. If you can get it for a good price and have the chance and ability to mad, it's a great bass.
 
The 44/55-01 is a great addition to any stable and is a great bass to mod. It's been said a hundred times, but the first mod to this series should be the pre. The pups are basically soapbar P-pickups, but they sound great with a better pre, the US Bartolini NTMB or LH3 is a great start. There are so many pickup options, chisonics, big singles, fat stacks, big splits, Aguilar soapbars, Bartolini soapbars that you will be able to find you sound. I was convinced that I would not like the 01 series, but after the pre change, I play it more than my 5502. If you can get it for a good price and have the chance and ability to mad, it's a great bass.

Yea I've always wanted to try the Aguilar soapbars. This may be a good opportunity to. Besides that I'd probably only add a black pickguard and maybe chrome knobs. Or, keep the black knobs and add some black tuners. Ahhh desicions!
 
FWIW Dan Lakin has previously been quoted on TB as stating the DJ basses have 60s spacing. I just measured my 2012 DJ5 and it's 60s spacing.

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Its funny- if you go onto the Lakland DJ page, there is an obviously modified picture (the first one under "Options") where the bridge pickup actually appears to be in 70s spacing: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

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