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Lakland Owners Group #69

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Off topic but: Our church group is going Behringer in ears....just got a new 32 channel digital mixer and it sounds GREAT so far (even with the Std wedges we use the sound quality is remarkably different!).

We've had 2 weeks with the mixer.....so now it's time to learn the in ear thing.

We had the first demo Monday night. We are using the P16-M personal mixers and Shure in ears...I really htink I am going to like them ONCE I GET USED TO it....

Any tips?
 
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We use avioms and I have a pair of 1964 Quads. I am pretty minimal. Bass, drums, a little keys, Worship leader.

If you can pan, then I usually central the bass, drums, and Worship leader, then pan the other instruments based on their location (left or right) or just minimal sound.
 
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Drkwdsman said:
We use avioms and I have a pair of 1964 Quads. I am pretty minimal. Bass, drums, a little keys, Worship leader.

If you can pan, then I usually central the bass, drums, and Worship leader, then pan the other instruments based on their location (left or right) or just minimal sound.
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cool...thx....yes we can pan - I have 16 channels and can change the EQ on each channel even....I need to "keep it simple"... : )
 
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I have 64 audio custom IEM's and the X32 is a great board to work with. Biggest tip is to make sure that your send is "pre-fader" and not post-fader. Beyond that, just add each channel until you get clarity necessary. Very easy to get a good mix; it takes some serious reading and research to get a brilliant mix.

I bought a refurb XR18 and spent about 8hrs going through videos, running a DI through it, sending a mic in, and playing with some dynamics (compression, reverb, etc) and it was highly educational. Subscribe to the some of the Behringer and X32 mix channels on Youtube if you want to immerse yourself.
 
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Oh boy. Yeah, our church is getting geared up for IEMs also in the very near future. My parents church sort of attempted to do it after their sound guy demanded that "anyone with an amp" go direct in. Then he decided to step away from the board and everything fed back in my ears (it was a long time ago and there was no built-in volume limiting) Then I said "ok. I'm done"

But I'm confident this is going to be much different this time. The guy at this church has his own DJ company and is a real professional. I'm willing to give it a go. I am lucky now in that I have my Noble Pre to run my bass into. Now I'm just trying to figure out which 1964s to go with. They get so expensive fast!!!
 
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TedH said:
I have 64 audio custom IEM's and the X32 is a great board to work with. Biggest tip is to make sure that your send is "pre-fader" and not post-fader. Beyond that, just add each channel until you get clarity necessary. Very easy to get a good mix; it takes some serious reading and research to get a brilliant mix.

I bought a refurb XR18 and spent about 8hrs going through videos, running a DI through it, sending a mic in, and playing with some dynamics (compression, reverb, etc) and it was highly educational. Subscribe to the some of the Behringer and X32 mix channels on Youtube if you want to immerse yourself.
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Luckily I don't have to run the mixer... The guys who do have spent every Monday evening for 3 months figuring that out...

I just need to figure it the personal monitor system... Found a few very helpful videos...

One potential issues I see is that the singers change quite a bit so getting them in the mix may be fun each time.

Also... Not sure if I'll hear cues from the WL as I am not sure there will be a talk back mic...
 
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basspraiser said:
Off topic but: Our church group is going Behringer in ears....just got a new 32 channel digital mixer and it sounds GREAT so far (even with the Std wedges we use the sound quality is remarkably different!).

We've had 2 weeks with the mixer.....so now it's time to learn the in ear thing.

We had the first demo Monday night. We are using the P16-M personal mixers and Shure in ears...I really htink I am going to like them ONCE I GET USED TO it....

Any tips?
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Spend the money on customs Doug. Those generic Shure IEM's are no good for bass playing, especially in a live setting. If you can't drop $500-$800 on customs, my advice would be some Westone 3-driver (I had the UM3X's) with the Comply foam tips. A side benefit of customs, though, is that when you fly you basically have custom-fit earplugs that are also capable of giving you really, really, really good audio quality if you want it.

I personally have 64Audio Q4's, but 64Audio has gotten so expensive in the last 2 years that I struggle to recommend them to people now. They do make an excellent product, and if you can stomach it, customs are tool you'll never regret having.
 
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overbybr said:
Spend the money on customs Doug. Those generic Shure IEM's are no good for bass playing, especially in a live setting. If you can't drop $500-$800 on customs, my advice would be some Westone 3-driver (I had the UM3X's) with the Comply foam tips. A side benefit of customs, though, is that when you fly you basically have custom-fit earplugs that are also capable of giving you really, really, really good audio quality if you want it.

I personally have 64Audio Q4's, but 64Audio has gotten so expensive in the last 2 years that I struggle to recommend them to people now. They do make an excellent product, and if you can stomach it, customs are tool you'll never regret having.
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Very much in agreement!
 
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I'm a keep it simple guy too. Everything is split out where I play so you can get carried away adjusting dozens of sliders. Bass, click, guide, kick, just enough vocals to hear, some rhythm guitar, some keys and MD. I stand next to the drummer so normally I don't need much else but some snare/overheads is helpful. It gets tricky with 4 different vocals and different people leading songs, but normally you can get it dialed in.

I have had Shure SE425 in ears that have served me well. New tips every once in a while help keep a really good seal, which is important. I will probably go with custom molds next, but price has always been a deterrent. I already invested in the Shures so I probably won't replace them till they are on their last legs.
 
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basspraiser said:
Luckily I don't have to run the mixer... The guys who do have spent every Monday evening for 3 months figuring that out...

I just need to figure it the personal monitor system... Found a few very helpful videos...

One potential issues I see is that the singers change quite a bit so getting them in the mix may be fun each time.

Also... Not sure if I'll hear cues from the WL as I am not sure there will be a talk back mic...
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Understood, still worth understanding how you save settings, etc as that can help you with different groups, singers, etc. definitely a trial by error on the personal mix side.
 
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overbybr said:
Spend the money on customs Doug. Those generic Shure IEM's are no good for bass playing, especially in a live setting. If you can't drop $500-$800 on customs, my advice would be some Westone 3-driver (I had the UM3X's) with the Comply foam tips. A side benefit of customs, though, is that when you fly you basically have custom-fit earplugs that are also capable of giving you really, really, really good audio quality if you want it.

I personally have 64Audio Q4's, but 64Audio has gotten so expensive in the last 2 years that I struggle to recommend them to people now. They do make an excellent product, and if you can stomach it, customs are tool you'll never regret having.
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Thanks Brandon.... Going to try the Shures out for a bit.... Can't spend 5 big ones right now.

I do have a nice pair of bose headphones I may try as well
 
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spufman said:
That's a real beauty, Drkwdsman! I have a '98 4-94 and it's a real gem, with its neck so alive. Looks like yours has the same pia slotted truss nut. If I ever pull the neck, I'm switching to an allen head.
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Wow, at least three of us with xx.94 and slotted truss nut. Should there be a sub-group, haha? Mine is '99 55-94, and looks exactly like Drkwdsman's. Anyways, I am interested to hear about any attempts to change to allen nut. I tried to change, but the neck is sitting too tight in her pocket, and I didn't dare to remove the neck. I even got a replacement allen nut from Lakland to try out. The whole story is in this thread somewhere back to the last Aug-Sep-Oct time.
And congrats Drkwdsman for the great trade!
 
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spufman said:
That's a real beauty, Drkwdsman! I have a '98 4-94 and it's a real gem, with its neck so alive. Looks like yours has the same pia slotted truss nut. If I ever pull the neck, I'm switching to an allen head.
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Wow, at least three of us with xx.94 and slotted truss nut. Should there be a sub-group, haha? Mine is '99 55-94, and looks exactly like Drkwdsman's. Anyways, I am interested to hear about any attempts to change to allen nut. I tried to change, but the neck is sitting too tight in her pocket, and I didn't dare to remove the neck. I even got a replacement allen nut from Lakland to try out. The whole story is in this thread somewhere back to the last Aug-Sep-Oct time.
And congrats Drkwdsman for the great trade!
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I was wondering about that myself. Of course, I have the benefit of Carl Pedigo being 20 minutes away, so I'd have him do it :D
 
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