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Lakland Owners Group #69

Anyone ever compare a 44-64 (Bob Glaub or Duck Dunn) with a vintage ash bodied Fender Precision?

Electronics aside, what did you find were the differences to you?

I myself am in the situation where I have two Joe Osbornes, and am am thinking of getting a 44-64 or an ash/rosewood 70s Precision, and am trying to decide between the two, although I won't be in the situation where I can try them side by side.

Each guitar is different, and each set of ears are different, but I wanted to hear your insights!


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I have a few keeper P's and three of them are ones you asked about.
The sunburst Fender is a '69 ash and it is 7 3/4 lbs - even with the BA bridge.
The Olympic White Fender is a '75 - ash and all original at 11 lbs.
The Lakland USA is Bob Glaub #01 - 8 lbs on the nose.
Here's my 2 cents.
Other than neck comfort, the biggest difference to me is mid-focus vs mid-transparency.
The '75 has a super focused "bark" that the others don't have, but it's only really noticeable when you record - so at 11 lbs, that's a great thing : ) It sounds SO good when you're sharing the low frequency lane with other players.
The '69 is an amazing instrument. It's super light and resonant and produces these overtones that just make it sing with vibrance - which is really fun to manipulate with your fingers. It really comes alive when you've got the low zone to yourself.
The Glaub is a perfect "Live P" for me. It practically plays itself (1.5" nut width and stupid low action). It sounds really close to the Fenders, but it has a Lakland tonal "personality" that you either like, don't like, or don't notice.
One thing that may contribute to that tonal difference are the graphite rods used for stability in the Lakland necks , as well as other high end basses I've owned and then moved along.
I personally don't like to record with them because I've found I lose a bit of tonal "richness" with a graphite reinforced neck (vs one piece maple)
That may be nit picking a bit, but I've found they have a "ping" that is unique to them, and it really stands out when a track is soloed.
The USA Laklands don't seem to have that "ping", as much as they have their own characteristic sound. And their necks are really stable, even with crazy temperature swings at outdoor shows.
I replaced the original Fralin split coil in the Glaub with a Klein Epic 62 pickup and that really makes the bass shine, IMHO.
It's not as aggressive as the Lindy, which allows more of the "tonal personality" to come out of the bass.

But when all is said and done and my sound is being pushed though FOH at volume, those minor tonal differences are really not an issue - especially if I'm singing a lot.
My experience is that when I'm playing live shows, especially long sets, the Glaub's comfortable neck is an absolute Godsend. And it always sounds amazing.

One caveat - that mid 80's Tokai-TPB64 with a Fender PV 63 pickup and TI Flats is one thunderous beast.
I played it through the rig in the photo at a "hired gun" show with no PA support and earplugs jammed halfway into my brain.
It was honestly one of the most satisfying "P" tones I've ever had the pleasure hearing come out of a cab.
I remember thinking - "OK - I get the whole P with TI Flats thing now". Low end thunder with out that 'bloomy confusion".

The P that sounds the most "60's vintage" to me is the Tokai.
The most "lively" P is the '69 Fender.
If I was playing in a large disco band, I'd sit down and play the '75 P all night long : )
My favorite P to perform with is the Glaub because it lets me completely relax onstage - and relaxed is my favorite key to play in : )

IB
 
About 3 years ago I purchased a "B Stock" Skyline 55-64 (2015 SN) and donated it to my church. (To be honest...what makes this a B stock bass still is a mystery to me....it looks and plays impeccably)

Yes - I am the primary bassist (pity for them) but there are times when others play (when I travel for business etc) and I thought I would give them a GREAT instrument to play on.

The guy who subs for me most of the time is an absolute artist...school music teacher...plays multiple instruments..and is very talented....and he is very good on all of the instruments he plays (including bass)

However....when it comes to bass, he must have a heavy hand....(he also seems to get lost on a fiver...but that's another story...) (PS- he's a GREAT guy and a friend so this is not a criticism....OK...maybe a slight one...)

Regardless, he refuses to play the 55-64 because it has "fret noise"????? (huh????)

He complained about it (in texts...voicemails, etc.) every time he played....

I had Carl Pedigo set up the bass before I donated it and played it several times early on so I knew it was set up great.

Oh well....so much for....well....let's just leave it there ...

Since the bass is getting no love, I decided to play it this weekend...."SOMETHING" (my mom has great intuition and it seems to have been granted to me as well) made me pick the bass up yesterday. I told the music director/band leader that I wanted to make sure it was in tune and all set up....

OMG!

The action was set so high you could sail a sail boat through it...or place the statue of liberty under it.

I tried playing it and couldn't...it was very hard to play...

Don't worry...she's all set now to very low action...

She's now a pleasure to play.

I believe she has the standard Lakland/Hanson P pickup....the only bass I have played with that pickup.

Interestingly, the B string seems a bit less refine/defined and is quieter than my other Lakie Ps (White Lightning and the LOG bass have the "retro" Hanson pickups and my US PJ has the Nordys).

Anyways....since I had both a US 5564 with a 3TB and a skyline with a 3TB at my disposal, I thought I would do a side by side picture/visual comparison.

As I stated earlier, the Skyline is a 2015 Indo skyline.

The US bass was one from Dan's collection and is one of the very early ones (maybe number 4 or 5???) I had Lakland add the blocked neck and the J pickup before I picked it up.

Anyways....I will present the pictures without commentary and for your viewing pleasure only.

BOTH are a joy to play...I love the feel of the Skyline 55-64 neck (OK...not as much as White Lightning of the US PJ but the finish does not seem to get in my way)...

Enjoy....peace out.

First picture....

Yes the mint vs. tortoise shell and blocks vs dots may cause a slight visual cue difference....sorry about that...

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wahooo!!!

I see that....

thoughts????
I like it! I've always really like the necks and small frets. The hardware is definite quality. This one came used with finish cracks from overtightened hardware (at the factory I assume) but I got it in otherwise mint condition for half of original price!

Not crazy about the preamp and prefer the pickups tone in passive mode. I guess I've been spoiled by the Audere preamp in my formerly main bass with selectable mids switch, and active blend and volume controls. I prefer the Audere EQ points as well - never been a fan of bass controls set under 100 Hz.

I sold the preamp here on TB and bought an Audere Classic 4-band. It'll have stacked volume/blend controls and then treble (3.2 kHz), high mid (750 Hz), low mids (250 Hz), and bass (180 Hz). The mid controls have a fairly wide Q and the bass and treble controls are shelving. All in all it'll make for a versatile setup. Plus, with everything set flat it sounds exactly like it would in passive.

Oh, and the fretboard is a bit darker now. It arrived very dry so I hit it with some Howard's Feed n' Wax.

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About 3 years ago I purchased a "B Stock" Skyline 55-64 (2015 SN) and donated it to my church. (To be honest...what makes this a B stock bass still is a mystery to me....it looks and plays impeccably)

Yes - I am the primary bassist (pity for them) but there are times when others play (when I travel for business etc) and I thought I would give them a GREAT instrument to play on.

The guy who subs for me most of the time is an absolute artist...school music teacher...plays multiple instruments..and is very talented....and he is very good on all of the instruments he plays (including bass)

However....when it comes to bass, he must have a heavy hand....(he also seems to get lost on a fiver...but that's another story...) (PS- he's a GREAT guy and a friend so this is not a criticism....OK...maybe a slight one...)

Regardless, he refuses to play the 55-64 because it has "fret noise"????? (huh????)

He complained about it (in texts...voicemails, etc.) every time he played....

I had Carl Pedigo set up the bass before I donated it and played it several times early on so I knew it was set up great.

Oh well....so much for....well....let's just leave it there ...

Since the bass is getting no love, I decided to play it this weekend...."SOMETHING" (my mom has great intuition and it seems to have been granted to me as well) made me pick the bass up yesterday. I told the music director/band leader that I wanted to make sure it was in tune and all set up....

OMG!

The action was set so high you could sail a sail boat through it...or place the statue of liberty under it.

I tried playing it and couldn't...it was very hard to play...

Don't worry...she's all set now to very low action...

She's now a pleasure to play.

I believe she has the standard Lakland/Hanson P pickup....the only bass I have played with that pickup.

Interestingly, the B string seems a bit less refine/defined and is quieter than my other Lakie Ps (White Lightning and the LOG bass have the "retro" Hanson pickups and my US PJ has the Nordys).

Anyways....since I had both a US 5564 with a 3TB and a skyline with a 3TB at my disposal, I thought I would do a side by side picture/visual comparison.

As I stated earlier, the Skyline is a 2015 Indo skyline.

The US bass was one from Dan's collection and is one of the very early ones (maybe number 4 or 5???) I had Lakland add the blocked neck and the J pickup before I picked it up.

Anyways....I will present the pictures without commentary and for your viewing pleasure only.

BOTH are a joy to play...I love the feel of the Skyline 55-64 neck (OK...not as much as White Lightning of the US PJ but the finish does not seem to get in my way)...

Enjoy....peace out.

First picture....

Yes the mint vs. tortoise shell and blocks vs dots may cause a slight visual cue difference....sorry about that...

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I play with a heavy hand and have found that Sadowsky flats make all the difference. They're tight enough so that they don't vibrate in big swinging arcs but they're not cables like some other flats.
 
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