Lakland Owners Group #69

[basspraiser]

Hard to see .. Be the LOG bass is there!

 

[basspraiser]

holy cow, a Doude sighting IRL

Lol! There Gman!

 

[basspraiser]

holy cow, a Doude sighting IRL

Gman.... I need to run some of my upright bass runs by you to get your critique.

I was trying hard but only mildly successful

 

[Holdsg]

runs....what are these runs you speak of? I only know root and 5th man. maybe I get really creative and play a 2-5-1 every once in a while. runs are for those geetars

 

[basspraiser]

runs....what are these runs you speak of? I only know root and 5th man. maybe I get really creative and play a 2-5-1 every once in a while. runs are for those geetars

Lol

 

[macribas]

I'm with Johnny on the electronics change, I thought it was in '06. I believe they changed the 02/94 basses first, then the J bass pickups (06-07?), and then the P basses (07-08?).

Yes, there was a gray area phase. Back when we had the LOG Site we were able to put together a timeline, but that is gone now. In short, the LH-3 pre and the Lakland (Hanson) pickups did not come at the exact same time. I believe the LH-3 came first, then the in-house pickups, but maybe it was the other way around. I briefly owned a Korean 55-02 from this transition phase, it had mixed Bartolini and Lakland electronics.

 

[basspraiser]

A couple of the songs I played using the LOG bass.

A bit nontraditional but fun!

 

[2ndBassGuitar]

Do you record with your Lakland active or passive bass?

 

[cv115505]

Do you record with your Lakland active or passive bass?

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My 55-14 is actually a great recording bass. It sounds great and is really quiet. If I use a 5 string for a record, it's my go to.

 

[Stedkey]

Do you record with your Lakland active or passive bass?

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Not me. Live only at this point….

 

[Jamvan]

Do you record with your Lakland active or passive bass?

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I recorded our previous album using a combination of my 55-02 and 55-14 (I agree with @cv115505 - it has a great recording tone) but used my '07 55-94 exclusively for our most recent album (still finishing up). I generally used it with the rear coil in a 70's jazz(ish) voicing. Sounds great.

 

[Thom Fioriglio]

Yes, there was a gray area phase. Back when we had the LOG Site we were able to put together a timeline, but that is gone now. In short, the LH-3 pre and the Lakland (Hanson) pickups did not come at the exact same time. I believe the LH-3 came first, then the in-house pickups, but maybe it was the other way around. I briefly owned a Korean 55-02 from this transition phase, it had mixed Bartolini and Lakland electronics.

Thanks for the info. My 2007 44-02 with Barts arrives today. It would be cool to have that timeline that was posted if anyone can dig it up. I have 2 Lakies already (DJ-4 and 44-64 fretless) and this will be my first active bass. Buying this without ever playing a 44-02.

 

[macribas]

Thanks for the info. My 2007 44-02 with Barts arrives today. It would be cool to have that timeline that was posted if anyone can dig it up. I have 2 Lakies already (DJ-4 and 44-64 fretless) and this will be my first active bass. Buying this without ever playing a 44-02.

Congratulations! One thing that can usually tell if you have a Bart vs an LH-3 pre, without even opening the back cavity, is the little coil switch. The Bart equipped basses had a flat switch and the LH-3 ones had a round switch.

 

[Thom Fioriglio]

Congratulations! One thing that can usually tell if you have a Bart vs an LH-3 pre, without even opening the back cavity, is the little coil switch. The Bart equipped basses had a flat switch and the LH-3 ones had a round switch.

Well, all that talk and research on Bartolini pickups for nothing. I received the 2007 Lakland 44-02 today and it has the Lakland pickups and LH3 preamp. Which was a pleasant surprise. It also came with a Lakland hardshell case. All for $900 with shipping and tax. I cleaned it up, put on a new set of DR Sunbeams, installed a new battery and set it up. Now to spend time with it and get used to all the tone options. This is my first active bass and generally, I like simplicity, so it will take some getting used to and a lot of playing time.

 

[basspraiser]

Well, all that talk and research on Bartolini pickups for nothing. I received the 2007 Lakland 44-02 today and it has the Lakland pickups and LH3 preamp. Which was a pleasant surprise. It also came with a Lakland hardshell case. All for $900 with shipping and tax. I cleaned it up, put on a new set of DR Sunbeams, installed a new battery and set it up. Now to spend time with it and get used to all the tone options. This is my first active bass and generally, I like simplicity, so it will take some getting used to and a lot of playing time. View attachment 4899215View attachment 4899216View attachment 4899217

You sir got a deal!

Congrats

 

[Thom Fioriglio]

Well, all that talk and research on Bartolini pickups for nothing. I received the 2007 Lakland 44-02 today and it has the Lakland pickups and LH3 preamp. Which was a pleasant surprise. It also came with a Lakland hardshell case. All for $900 with shipping and tax. I cleaned it up, put on a new set of DR Sunbeams, installed a new battery and set it up. Now to spend time with it and get used to all the tone options. This is my first active bass and generally, I like simplicity, so it will take some getting used to and a lot of playing time. View attachment 4899215View attachment 4899216View attachment 4899217

Some random thoughts/questions about the 2007 Skyline 44-02 I just got.
1. The tuners say Hipshot Lic. rather than just Hipshot like on my ‘15 and ‘17 Laklands. I noticed when putting the string in, the Hipshot Lic. tuners only takes about a ½” of string. The ‘15 and ‘17 Hipshot tuners can take 1” of string.

2. The string tree is different on the ‘07 MIK than in my later Indonesian Skylines.

3. I was under the impression that the MM pickup was situated so that when split, the rear pickup was in the Jazz 70s position and the front rear pickup was in the 60’s position. But when comparing it to my DJ-4 and 44-64 PJ, the rear split pickups all line up.

if anyone has any thoughts or can confirm, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[macribas]

Some random thoughts/questions about the 2007 Skyline 44-02 I just got.
1. The tuners say Hipshot Lic. rather than just Hipshot like on my ‘15 and ‘17 Laklands. I noticed when putting the string in, the Hipshot Lic. tuners only takes about a ½” of string. The ‘15 and ‘17 Hipshot tuners can take 1” of string.

2. The string tree is different on the ‘07 MIK than in my later Indonesian Skylines.

3. I was under the impression that the MM pickup was situated so that when split, the rear pickup was in the Jazz 70s position and the front rear pickup was in the 60’s position. But when comparing it to my DJ-4 and 44-64 PJ, the rear split pickups all line up.

if anyone has any thoughts or can confirm, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

I love your attention to detail.

1. So Hipshot LIC used to be marked as such but the latest ones don't have the LIC indication. I was under the impression they were exactly the same other than the logo, but you seem to have found a difference.

2. How so?

3. I used to pay attention to the 60s vs 70s position, but I realized it isn't the defining character of a jazz bass sound. I tend to favor the front pickup most of the time anyway. But as far as I remember, the DJ4 had the rear pickup in the 70s position. I'm thinking the 44-64 PJ has to follow this as well, because of the pickguard.

 

[Thom Fioriglio]

I love your attention to detail.

1. So Hipshot LIC used to be marked as such but the latest ones don't have the LIC indication. I was under the impression they were exactly the same other than the logo, but you seem to have found a difference.

2. How so?

3. I used to pay attention to the 60s vs 70s position, but I realized it isn't the defining character of a jazz bass sound. I tend to favor the front pickup most of the time anyway. But as far as I remember, the DJ4 had the rear pickup in the 70s position. I'm thinking the 44-64 PJ has to follow this as well, because of the pickguard.

Haha, yeah, I've got a good eye for detail. Sometimes to a fault.

1. Yeah, regarding the Hipshot LIC tuners, I only realized that because I put DR Sunbeams on it and they recommend to prebend the string. On my new Laklands, the bend was an inch and the string really settles in the tuner. On the 2007 Hipshot LIC, it's just barely in there. Unless that's just the older Hipshots and they updated them since.

2. I've attached pictures to show the difference in the string trees. The Korean has rounded edges and the Indo has a squared off edge and grooves for the strings to rest in.

3. The DJ-4 bridge pickup is in the 60s position. Actually, now that I think about it, 60s/70s position wouldn't be possible with the MM humbucker because the difference is slight. I think ⅜ of an inch between the 60s and 70s. In the MM humbucker the single coil pickups are side to side. So that front rear pickup is closer than a Jazz bass pickup.

 

[Steve88]

I measured my 55-94 vs my jazz bass once when I had the same question. I think the rear coil of the MM pickup is closest to the 60's position. I seem to recall it wasn't exact, but I can't remember if the neck pickup was placed slightly different or the rear pickup was. Either way, the front coil of the MM pickup is closer spacing than a jazz bass.

That said, I get some good sounds using the front coil of the MM pickup. On occasion I even solo the front coil...it sounds a little different than the entire MM pickup soloed.

I find that I get the best jazz bass approximation by using the J and rear MM coil, cut the mids just a little, boost the treble to bring in some sparkle, and blend the pickups to taste. It's not quite the same but it's close enough...if I want the exact jazz bass sound, I bring a jazz bass!

 

[Thom Fioriglio]

I measured my 55-94 vs my jazz bass once when I had the same question. I think the rear coil of the MM pickup is closest to the 60's position. I seem to recall it wasn't exact, but I can't remember if the neck pickup was placed slightly different or the rear pickup was. Either way, the front coil of the MM pickup is closer spacing than a jazz bass.

That said, I get some good sounds using the front coil of the MM pickup. On occasion I even solo the front coil...it sounds a little different than the entire MM pickup soloed.

I find that I get the best jazz bass approximation by using the J and rear MM coil, cut the mids just a little, boost the treble to bring in some sparkle, and blend the pickups to taste. It's not quite the same but it's close enough...if I want the exact jazz bass sound, I bring a jazz bass!

Thanks for the tone tip. Very helpful. I still need to spend some time with all the tonal options.

I just measured the pickups on the 44-02 and compared them to my DJ-4. Both neck pickups are in the same position and the rear coil pickup of the MM is the same as the bridge pickup of the DJ-4.