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Double Bass lefties

If you're only a couple of months into it, I would really suggest that you do some soul-searching and consider going with the other hands. The truth of the matter is, and I think it was mentioned earlier, that when you are begginning the instrument both hands are ********. There is no advantage to having either hand in either place, in regards to being a righty or a lefty.

Having grown up the son of a musician, spending my whole life with us folks, and being a professional player and teacher since the mid-80's, I can tell you that the average nubmer of left-handed musicians is great -- much greater than the distribution in regards to the general population -- and I've only run into a few lefty players that play the their instrument backwards. Without exception they all wish that someone would have set them straight early on.

That's all I gotta say.
 
Originally posted by Ray Parker
If you're only a couple of months into it, I would really suggest that you do some soul-searching and consider going with the other hands. The truth of the matter is, and I think it was mentioned earlier, that when you are begginning the instrument both hands are ********. There is no advantage to having either hand in either place, in regards to being a righty or a lefty.

I've played guitar and bass guitar for over 20 years left-handed (true left-handed). I've been playing string bass steadily for 7 of these years. There are several things I can do nearly as well either handed, but you have to remember that handedness is a very real phenomenon. To say that there is no advantage either way would be like asking a professional pitcher to start throwing the ball with his other hand and see how his career goes.
It was with solid advice and great deliberation that I made the change.
I would always advise a truly virgin and non-adult players to really try to play right-handed, but this is the age at which people have discipline and commitment issues and asking them to do something that they feel more awkward at than with the opposite hand can be discouraging. It is not much of a problem for guitar players because decent factory left-handed guitars are easily available for good prices and the obstacles and stigma are not nearly so profound as with instruments of the viol family.
There have been and are a number of lefthanded string bassists who have successful careers, but I think the percentage is well below the number of lefties in the population at large and I think this is largely due to the factors I've mentioned above. I don't know of any natural left-handed string bassist who was taught to play right-handed. Violinists, yes, and at least one guitarist I know had to change because of an injury to his index finger, but no string bassists. I think this may be because the bass is a big, adult type of instrument.
 
The working concert group that my dad had when I started playing were all left handed, including his bass player who gave me my first technique lessons. Jeff Halsey is his name. He's currently the chair of the Jazz Department at Bowling Green State University (Ohio), and has far better than average facility on the instrument. My dad's group at that time consisted of tenor, trumpet, piano, bass, and drums. All left handed, all played their instruments in the traditional fashion. The drummer did have some stickings that he approached differently -- but the differences were pretty subtle.

When I started playing, which I remember fondly and reverse my Slab now and then to remind myself of what students are dealing with, neither hand had any clue as to how to do it's job. There was absolutely no advantage to doing either way in this sense. I could have been handed a lefty Slab and never known the difference. I'm very right handed.

In the case of a pitcher I agree, there is 'handedness'. Batting, yes -- but to a lesser degree. Catching -- none.

Interviewing pianists about this, they all say that the only thing that they really notice is that it's easier to get single line stuff going in the left hand for them than a natural righty, but in general the difference in not that great. Piano would be the only instrument that I can think of, perhaps drums, where 'handedness' could have any effect.

In your case, yes. You have a lot of time on your path, so stay with it.

I've turned students away that insisted on playing left handed when there was no physical reason for them to do so. I told them straight out that I was not going to be in any way responsible for them doing to themselves what they were about to do. I have had a number of students play 'lefty', but they were already on the wrong path by the time I got a hold of them.

Besides -- where are you going to get a left-handed bow? I've only ever seen right-handed models. The frog would be at the wrong end of the stick. Man, that would be a bitch!
 
Hi guys
I 'm very proud of everybody concern about lefthanded playing. It will be more educational if somebody can bring scentific information about how the brain in the lefthanded people works. I say this because if this is not a real issue we will not be discuss in it. I think there is so much confusion and ignorance on this matter. I know there is a lot of misunderstanding.

Does anybody of you guys had the oportunity to buy a real mirror image lefthanded DB?

I kow this luthier in Argentina that was really kind explaining all the thechnical aspects behind the left handed DB construction. I bring this issue because maybe there is a lot of lefties who want to experiment and enjoy DB playing but doesn't have all the information resources on this matter.

I'm a rookie, but that dosen't discurage me to follow my dreams. I want a real left handed Db and I will have it.
It will be nice that somebdy more knowledgable on this woill bring some light to this discussion.

take care guys and keep on playing
Slumberland
 
Originally posted by slumberland

Does anybody of you guys had the oportunity to buy a real mirror image lefthanded DB?
I bought a real left-handed bass from (AH) Bob Gollihur. It's a decent instrument I'm very happy with, but I bet that the righty basses Bob sells are of the same quality, so I don't think that handedness issues are relevant here.

Actually, I don't really understand your question. If you want to play lefty, you get a lefty bass, end of story. There's nothing more to it than getting a normal bass. Yes, it's more difficult, but it can be done. Of course you won't ever get a lefty antique bass, so if you're attracted to that kind of instrument, you might as well heed Ray's advice and reconsider your decision to play lefty.

I don't regret a bit the decision I made because the drawbacks of playing lefty are mostly non-issues for me. The only thing that bothers me sometimes is that I always have to bring my own bass to jam sessions.

But this is a personal issue and I don't recommend the choice I made to anybody else. Caveat emptor. Re-read Ray Parker's posts above.

--Timo
 
Originally posted by TimoMetzemakers

I bought a real left-handed bass from (AH) Bob Gollihur. It's a decent instrument I'm very happy with, but I bet that the righty basses Bob sells are of the same quality, so I don't think that handedness issues are relevant here.

Timo:
Do you know anybody besided Bob who sells good and reliable lefthanded DB. Thanks in advance for your help and guidence.
Slumberland
 
If this is your first instrument or if your already played a left handed stringed instument go for a Lefty. I know lefties that never learned to play smoothly on a right handed guitar. However my friends may just plain suck. O and althou I find my left hand harder to start out(im right handed and play right) I acually have more current problems with my right. I find it much easier to jump placed on the neck to hold things down than to play quickly on my right hand all around. (If all the notes on the same string well than hell ya the rights easier.)

I on the other hand natuaral speak english but If I got anything wrong its cause I think faster than I type.(or speak)
 
Originally posted by slumberland
Timo:
Do you know anybody besided Bob who sells good and reliable lefthanded DB.
Sorry, but the only guy I know who sells left-handed basses globally is (AH) Bob.

A local luthier I know imports Chinese carved basses. I played a left-handed bass he ordered for a fellow left-handed player in Bordeaux. Despite my initial bias against Chinese instruments, I was very pleasantly surprised. He wouldn't tell me where he got them but maybe you could just ask your local luthier?

--Timo
 
The biggest problem with playing ANY instrument left handed is that you'll be cutting yourself off from 99.99% of the instruments out there. Want to borrow someone's bass? Can's. Find a fantastic deal on a used instrument? Nope, it's not a lefty. Maybe with a few hundred dollars in surgery.... which will probably make the insstrument that much harder to sell.

As for Chinese basses: I've seen and played on cheap basses, like the "Cremona" things that aren't worth using as planters, good factory basses, like the Christophers (I bought my nephew a 1/8th size bass of this quality), and basses from small shops that are really impressive.
 
I have considerable experience in this matter, having played and built instruments specific to lefthanded play. I started on right handed /upside down guitar-then converted a Juzek viola. I have built acoustic and electric double bass,violin and viola and consider full lefthandedness (mirror image to right) to be ideal for me. I have seen great players (ex Brooklyn Philharmonic concertmaster and Naval Academy/ Bassist) play lefthanded. If you play lefthanded and are near Maryland- you should try one of my basses. I have also converted very inexpensive new basses (from the bassbar out) and they sound and play great after a proper setup. Celebrate the Sinister in a Dextrous World!
 
FYI. If you don't plan on playing bass in a professional symphony,then I wouldn't worry too much about playing left handed.
Two jazz players I know who play left handed are Earl May and an amazing virtuoso (not that well known outside Dallas - why I don't know?) named Lyles West. They both play a regular (right handed) instrument, but play it left handed. Planing the fingerboard a little different is all they do. They don't seem to have any problem playing this way and it makes finding and selling a bass (which you will do eventually) much easier.
 
Originally posted by Ray Parker
The truth of the matter is, and I think it was mentioned earlier, that when you are begginning the instrument both hands are ********. There is no advantage to having either hand in either place, in regards to being a righty or a lefty.
No! No! No! If you've never played drums, sit behind a kit and reverse it for a left-handed setup. Now try to play on it. You should instantly realize that it's not right, even if you have no prior knowledge of the instrument, thus no muscle memory. Your statement is naive at best, or it denotes a weak innate predisposition to the instrument (which does not translate into potentially poor musicianship... just a slower instinctual start on your initial grasp of the instrument)
Originally posted by Pete OLeary

Plenty of guitarists play this way, from Albert King to Kurt Cobain.
Not Cobain. The only famous lefty guitarists I know who played with the strings in reverse order are Dick Dale, Albert King and Otis Rush. My Dad does it too. Blame it on laziness or nonchalance.

re: Ray Parker's general attitude towards musical handedness, well, that's still irritating me after all those years of dealing with such an inexplicably stubborn and uninformed view.

It's a cerebral/ergonomical/positional issue. In the case of piano and wind instruments (except flute-type instruments, where "wrong-handed" players are, interestingly, a relatively common sight), the ergonomical and positional issues do not apply as much since there is not such a steep directional bias in the way the instrument has to be physically approached (a piano is a pretty symmetric beast!) Also, the hands are less mutually dependent while playing those instruments. Stringed instruments are strongly biased, i.e. one hand generally has to support the other (one of them frets, the other plucks) rather than having both hands work equally. Since your strong hand is generally better at keeping time***, having it strum/pluck the guitar/bass only makes sense, contrary to the popular belief that the fretting hand has to "work harder" during the learning process. Just ask a classical guitarist's opinion on the matter.

Like many lefty players, I first picked up the instrument and instantly knew that the neck had to rest on my right side. I remember my first day with a (righty) guitar - I put on the Beatles' "Day Tripper", tuned the low E string to the first note of the song and learned the main riff. I tried to play the "correct" way and the "lefty" way, for 2 days straight. My brain & left-hand fingers could not work in tandem to allow me to play the riff with the neck on my left side, but I could play it perfectly with it resting on my right side and my right-hand fingers on the fretboard. End of story.

I envy lefties who can play the traditional way, but unlike what Ray Parker & others would like us to believe, "neutral-handedness" is not a universal truth when first picking up an instrument.

*** Try this simple exercise: lay your hands flat on a table and tap the table with one of your thumbs, while trying to keep a quick and steady beat. Repeat with the other thumb. See, one is more efficient than the other. Now do it with both thumbs at once... your strong hand will adapt to the weak one so they can keep the beat, and inversely, the weak hand will benefit from the strong hand's guidance. That's how left-handed piano players can somewhat easily overcome the counter-intuitive key placement, better than a "hardcore" left-handed guitarist/bassist would be able to fare if he/she were forced to play a right-handed instrument the traditional way. Better hand = better rhythm = handedness.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;) Apologies for any grammatical oddity; English is not my mother tongue.
 
Originally posted by mje
Interestingly, I have never seen a left-handed violin, viola, cello, banjo, mandolin or piano...

Re-read my post. A left-handed piano is not a necessity. Lefty violins, violas, cellos, banjos and mandolins do exist. I played 3 of them at least once (violin, cello and banjo). A simple Google search reveals the existence of lefty mandolins.
 
Originally posted by Stupid Southpaw

No! No! No! If you've never played drums, sit behind a kit and reverse it for a left-handed setup. (snip quote)

Being a mature lefty, I've followed the issues of handedness in musical instrument playing closely and in detail for many years. Your insights reflect the more knowledgable and insightful wisdom extant on this subject.
I stand corrected on Cobain's setup, though I can think of many more lefty guitarists who play upsidedown righty guitars. One I've been listening to a lot lately is Patrick Saussois, a gypsy jazz guitarist.
Also, as this issue had come up in other forums, a Google search revealed lefthanded pianos, violins, cellos, basses, clarinets (really), and even a lefthanded trumpet.
 
Originally posted by SQUABBLING SLABBER

No! No! No! Your statement is naive at best, or it denotes a weak innate predisposition to the instrument (which does not translate into potentially poor musicianship... just a slower instinctual start on your initial grasp of the instrument)


re: Ray Parker's general attitude towards musical handedness, well, that's still irritating me after all those years of dealing with such an inexplicably stubborn and uninformed view.


I tried to play the "correct" way and the "lefty" way, for 2 days straight. My brain & left-hand fingers could not work in tandem to allow me to play the riff with the neck on my left side, but I could play it perfectly with it resting on my right side and my right-hand fingers on the fretboard. End of story.



You do realize that this discussion is about Double Basses, right? :)
 
Originally posted by CHRIST FIDGETY



You do realize that this discussion is about Double Basses, right? :)

I do, and I wasn't responsible for it originally degenerating into a general discussion about handedness (there's even a short message regarding video games). The discussion is much older than my membership (and awareness of this site). I got to it because I am currently in the market for a lefty double bass. Sorry for getting a little too hot-blooded.
 
Sorry, Southpaw, but you can delude yourself if you like.

My father is a left-handed multi-instrumentalist (17 instruments at last count, and a bitch on most of them), and between his heavy teaching load (40 students a week on all instruments, a year long waiting list, and has been doing this since the early 60's), my occasionally heavy teaching load, having grown up in the music business where there are a disproportionate number of lefties per capita, on and on, there is no 'real' handedness. If you have a deformity or damage to a particular hand, then there might be some argument. Django seemed deal with this just fine without switching hands, it would seem.

What little work it would take to overcome going against your uneducated preference is far overshadowed by the life-long inconvenience that playing 'lefty' presents.