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Double Bass lefties

Being a lefty for me was not a conscious decision and because I continue to do so I'm not being stubborn.

When I was younger there was a lefty guitar in my house. Me being lefty everything else it seemed logical to use the lefty instrument. Even when I couldn't play a note it felt right to hold the instrument in that way and so I progressed to electric guitar and got a lefty and to bass and got a lefty and now several years later I want to progress to upright. If I had known the trouble it would of caused I probably would have at least tryed righty starting off but I didn't know any better at the time and so here I am. I'm not going to go against everything that feels natural to me when I get my bass yes I will pay more no I won't play in an orchestra and yes I'm willing to accept all of the consequences of being left handed and a big :spit: to the traditionalists
 
Hey shadow it sounds like you have thought this through and I believe you will have great success with the instrument. Because you understand the options and also know that lefty instruments are more natural to you, you will likely go farther than somebody who just decided to get a left handed bass without understanding the potential drawbacks.

I don't consider myself a traditionalist, and I think it is great when people try new things. Good luck to everybody and anybody deciding to pick up the double bass for the first time. It is very challenging, but will prove quite rewarding to those who succeed in producing beautiful music.
 
I'm a lefty bassist also. I had an 80 or so year old German bass converted (bass bar and soundpost switched, plus all the other stuff like the bridge, nut, fingerboard, etc.).

...hopefully this will not give any righties who object to such a bastardization of an otherwise fine instrument a case of the vapors....

I've also got an old Kay (my first bass) with the same work done, and am in the process of getting an EUB made for me. Has it always been convenient? No, but it hasn't ruined my life or my professional career (although I've never pursued the classical thing, where it could possibly be a major problem). Did it help me learn the bass quickly? Absolutely (I picked it up in college after having played lefty electric for about 5 years). The learning curve on the upright is so tough at the beginning that I feel like if you're fighting your natural inclination, handedness-wise, on top of the struggle just to get around the stupid thing, you're fairly likely to be frustrated enough to put the thing down (or through a wall). Left-handed uprights are becoming more and more available, and why make it harder on yourself than it has to be, just in case you need to rent an instrument somewhere down the line, or want to sit in but don't feel like dragging your upright to the jam session?

The other thing that no one has mentioned in this thread is that there are degrees to which all people are left hand dominant, right hand dominant, or ambidextrous. I have always done everything left-handed. I know other left handed people who do some things righty, like using scissors (have you ever tried to use those cheap elementary school scissors with the wrong hand? no wonder I did so bad in art class!) And many lefty are more ambidextrous out of necessity, like those (like my friend's dad) who weren't allowed to write with their left hand in school. If you're a fairly ambidextrous lefty, why not at least try righty? I can't do it, but maybe you can.

But if you can't, don't feel pressured into it, and don't let it stop you from playing the instrument you want to play. And certainly don't listen to some know-it-all righty talking out his a**; after all, if the left hand is the one "doing all the work", why doesn't he as a righty, switch to lefty? Why have all string instruments, across the world, throughout history, been built “righty”? Give him a lefty instrument and watch him try to fret it with his “dominant” hand, it'll be amusing...


Oh yeah, I remembered, I do do something right handed; golf! I've got about a 10 handicap now, but maybe if I had learned lefty, I'd be on the PGA Tour like Phil Mickelson instead of being aggressively ignored in the corner of some crappy restaurant!
 
(have you ever tried to use those cheap elementary school scissors with the wrong hand? no wonder I did so bad in art class!)

YES! It's Frickin impossible!!! Honest to god, to this day I just can't cut paper properly (at least not without a quality scissors)


Interesting post greg. I'd like to know if you thought that the basses sounded or felt any different after the conversion. This is something I was considering until I met somone who could get one made for me left handed for a nice price (Similar to an Eastman 605 which will do me nicely to get started)

One worry for me is that you give a bass in for conversion but you get something completely different back out. I'd like to hear more on your experiences doing the conversion if there is much more to say.

I've always thought that should I ever upgrade it would have to be a custom build job. But now I'm thinking maybe not.

As a side note. Just like yourself Im 100% left foot left hand left sided with everything i do always have always will be. But I swing a golf club righty also.
 
Aside from you and your father's personal experience, anecdotal and empirical evidence, many others' have proven just the opposite. Your anecdotes are duly noted, but I wouldn't use those as expert opinions on this subject, but rather simply just what they are, personal experiences.

Left handed people are often able to adapt to opposite handed activities easier than the converse because their handedness is generally less predominant than right handed people. This is why it appears that the transition is so easy.

Django Reinhardt is a good example to refute your own argument. He was an accomplished banjo, guitar and violin player by the age of 18, when he suffered his injuries. His handedness was so predominant that he chose not to overcome this obstacle by changing hands. He could have easily held his pick in the gypsy style with his intact left thumb, index and middle fingers, but he didn't. Why? Probably because his musical mind/body language was so established at his young age that overriding that might have proven too large an obstacle to overcome.

I could relate many anecdotes from lefthanders who were taught and have played their instruments righthanded, but switched over to lefthanded play as adults, not because of injury, but because it felt better even after many years of playing righthanded. Nearly all of these anecdotes end with the players advancing their technique and creativity to a plateau far beyond their previous play, and in a short period of time.

Ray, I always read your posts carefully and have a lot of respect for your opinions because I think they carry a lot of weight. You have your opinions, but they are just that. When you put them up as the last word on the issue, they tend to lose their gravity. When you berate someone who is presenting cogent arguments to the contrary as delusional, your argument and opinion floats away.
IOW, chill dude.
Ditto on all the above. As far as the scientific studies go, they really show what is related by the posts in this thread, if you read them all. I have a degree in psychology and the following is a synopsis of what is known through scientific enquiry. It is probably true that more is known now than when I got my degree, but these were well established facts at the time and while more may be known now, it is highly unlikely that any of these conclusions have been reversed.

The brain is really two brains. There is a genetic disposition for one of them to be dominant. It could be either way, but for unknown evolutionary reasons, it is usually but not always the left brain that is dominant. As a way of insurance, evolution favoring redundant and highly adaptive creatures;- the left brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body. So a right handed person is left brain dominant and vice versa or vers vica, whichever it happens to be. When we are young, neither side is good at anything physical. Over time, the dominant brain trains both sides to do specialized tasks. This conserves energy for the creature because something that one limb can do doesn't have to be learned by both sides. On the adaptive survival side, the possibility exists for the other side to learn the task if the primary limb is lost. It becomes more complex when tasks that require both the right and left limbs to co-operate are learned. So while handwriting exhibits "handedness" in nearly every case, piano playing or guitar playing and such do so to a lesser degree.

Another complication in making generalities is that the right brain and left brain are assymetrical in some important aspects, though not as far as physical control of the limbs is concerned. Specifically the right brain is more capable of abstract creative thought and the left brain is more reasonable in nature. There is some speculation as to whether the strumming plucking and timing action of the "right" hand is favored by left (logical) brain control and the melodic left hand function is favored by right (creative) brain control, but it is impossible to quantify and study these qualities scientifically, so much superstition is possible here.

As a person develops, and the most important thing to remember is that we are not static creatures, many things become possible once learning has started. It is possible for the logical side of the brain to tell the other side to take over the lost functions of a damaged limb. It is possible for the creative side of the brain to assume the dominant reasonable functions if the left side of the brain is damaged. To complicate matters even more, handedness and brain dominance is not always decisive. There are people who have no "dominant" brain. Between the extremes there are every shade of difference. Also, when considering motor skills specialization, it is certainly mostly a matter of experience. Consider pedal steel guitar;- the feet have to do as much as the hand. Is anyone who plays pedal steel right-footed? And what about bicycling? Could the feet learn to steer and shift and the hands to pedal? In a car the clutch is operated by the left foot. This definitely requires more finesse than braking. On a motorcycle the clutch is operated by the left hand. But once you learn to clutch, it doesn't much matter whether it is hand or foot that does it. Then try to switch it to the right side limbs. Oops. So you see it is not just which limb on which side does what, but also whether it is a hand or a foot on either side. While the anecdotal cannot be taken as applying to all cases, it does serve to show what is possible. For instance there are case studies of children who entered school with temporary disability in the right hand, such as a broken arm in a cast, who learned to write with their left hand, and remained left handed with respect to hand writing the rest of their lives. There are also countless example of those left handed individuals who forced themselves or were forced by teachers to learn to do things right handed and continued that way the rest of their lives. Will power is a very strong tool, and the human brain and body are highly adaptive by design.

My advice would be that if you are young and have never learned a stringed musical instrument, try it both ways and pick the way that seems easiest at first. If you have already developed some facility playing left-handed guitar or other instrument that involves stopping and plucking, then seek out a lefty DB. If you really want to play DB and are predisposed to do so left-handed, you can get a good instrument. It will always be rarer than right-handed ones, but tough stuff. It would be worse to subject yourself to something that impedes your progress and after all, no one can hear which hand is doing what and if you stick to the instrument, getting rid of it shouldn't be an issue.

As far as the instruments you mention, I have a DB from Gollihur (Kremona Bulgaria) and it is a fine instrument if it were twice the price he charges for it. I've seen one of those from Jim Laabs and I wouldn't trade my DB for ten of those. When you look at custom makers and professional luthierie, anything is possible. Or you can get a lefty Englehardt;- not so great a bass but dependable and not such a hefty investment. I think the Kremona is going to be a better value in any case, right or left.

Also, and this goes for Timo as well;- if you develop Edgar Meyer level chops no one is going to keep you out of an orchestra. Being left handed never slowed a determined and talented player down. If there is anything to be learned from Jimi Hendrix about handedness, that is it. There are guitarists who can play either instrument either way, orientation of the strings notwithstanding. But that doesn't make them a Jimi Hendrix. It just shows that with practice and perserverence handedness is just not a decisive element.
 
I'd like to know if you thought that the basses sounded or felt any different after the conversion. This is something I was considering until I met somone who could get one made for me left handed for a nice price (Similar to an Eastman 605 which will do me nicely to get started)

One worry for me is that you give a bass in for conversion but you get something completely different back out. I'd like to hear more on your experiences doing the conversion if there is much more to say.

I've always thought that should I ever upgrade it would have to be a custom build job. But now I'm thinking maybe not.

I had the same trepidation; I bought the bass righty and played on it for about a year with just the bridge, nut, & fingerboard switched to lefty, just in case I got buyer's remorse. When I took it in to have the conversion done, the luthier (Doug Richeson, an very fine bassist, my former teacher, and excellent luthier) warned me that it might not sound the same. Luckily, I don't hear much if any difference than when I tried it out righty, and it obviously sounds better than when it was playing it with the bass bar/sound post reversed. I think it has also settled in over time to it's new orientation, sound-wise, and as the new bass bar has gotten played, it sounds better and better, which is probably true whenever you replace a bass bar on an upright. And I haven’t had any stability problems or cracks, which is saying something up here where the temperature goes from below zero in the winter to above 90 degrees and humid in the summer. This might just be because it was good luthiering by Doug, or that the bass is generally stable, or maybe it’s just saving itself up for a spectacular, explosive self-destruction in the middle of a gig.

It's probably a combination of luck in finding a bass that is "sonically symmetrical" (if that's even a thing), and getting the best luthier you can find to do the job (it's pretty major surgery). From my personal experience, I've had good luck with it, but that's just me.

In fact, I’d love to hear some thoughts from some luthiers about the whole conversion process. Are upright basses generally fairly symmetrical? If not, in what ways are they not, and how might this affect the sound of a converted bass? Are there other issues to consider? Enquiring minds want to know… Maybe I'll start a new thread, or look for an old one...
 
I am aspiring to become a bass luthier, but have currently done only minor repairs and setup work. Still, I have several books on bass building and I have not noticed in any of them anything that would indicate different dimensioning in the thicknessing of the plates left to right or of the ribs on either side or of the neck attachment angle. There are reports of some basses having a bit thicker area in the top plate under the bass bar or at the edge of it or even a bit of a "mounding" at the soundpost, usually on the back plate if at all. These are not usual construction features, but would have to be dealt with in a careful conversion if they were found. Many fingerboards are beveled on the E side instead of symmetrically arched. Some tailpieces are "compensated" on one side, but most are symmetrical. There are some conventions in the pegbox area, but these are not strictly adherred to and make no consequential difference. The really big difference is the bass bar and sound post placement. If the bass being considered for conversion has had a crack along the bass bar that has been repaired, that could be a reason to consider it a bad candidate for conversion because removing the bar could cause the repair to be weakened and require more work.
 
Wow, This thread has been around for a long time and was a great read from front to back. I'm a lefty player with 40 years of experience on bass guitar and nearly 15 years on an upright. (a plywood Englehardt from the late 1980's). The upright has been restrung lefty with the nut, fingerboard and bridge converted accordingly. I have NOT changed over the post and sound board and have experienced no damage to the instrument. I always amplify the upright when I play. My question is, what are the benefits to converting the post and sound board? All comments greatly appreciated!
 
I do every thing left handed, except golf and double bass. When I was just little, I started playing electric bass, left handed. It felt natural. I have a picture of me the Christmas morning I first got a guitar, and I'm playing it left handed. When I started high school and started to learn double bass, my teacher had me play right handed, sure felt weird.
Now 40 years later, I play electric left handed, and double right handed. for every day i don't play the up right, I seem to lose a day.
Andy
 
<< I have NOT changed over the post and sound board and have experienced no damage to the instrument. I always amplify the upright when I play. My question is, what are the benefits to converting the post and sound board? All comments greatly appreciated >>

I looked into doing this once and was told the sound post offers more support to the tighter strung higher strings, but it wasn't really necessary. It was also more for the un amplified sound, so since you use a pick up, it shouldn't matter. But what do I know. I tried to relearn upright left handed after over 30 years of playing righty, and couldn't.
Then the upright was stolen (damn those tuba players) and I never had the money to replace it.

Andy BTW, my theremins are also left handed, but that's a whole nuther forum.
 
If anyone wants info on lefthanded double basses, please let me know - I have tons of info for you. Started out on electric (owned a 1965 Fender jazz once!!!), but am completely converted to double bass.

My instrument was made over 3 years and finished in 2002 by a Belgian luthier. More or less a Panormo-outline. Mostly play classical but sometimes in a jazzcombo as well. Bow is an Augagneur-Bergeron, amp is a Bergantino IP112 with Fishman Platinum ProEQ preamp and a Realist pick-up. See www.leftybass.com for pics.

Greetings

Frits
 
I play a left-handed bass made by the Emanuel Wilfer company which I purchased from Lemur in 2004. The bass was built left-handed for me, not a reconstruction. The price difference was $200 over the right-handed model. Not a bad deal.

Here is a video of me playing it:

Its nothing to get excited about, but it might be amusing to see one in action.
 
I'm a lefty bassist also. I had an 80 or so year old German bass converted (bass bar and soundpost switched, plus all the other stuff like the bridge, nut, fingerboard, etc.).

...hopefully this will not give any righties who object to such a bastardization of an otherwise fine instrument a case of the vapors....

I've also got an old Kay (my first bass) with the same work done, and am in the process of getting an EUB made for me. Has it always been convenient? No, but it hasn't ruined my life or my professional career (although I've never pursued the classical thing, where it could possibly be a major problem). Did it help me learn the bass quickly? Absolutely (I picked it up in college after having played lefty electric for about 5 years). The learning curve on the upright is so tough at the beginning that I feel like if you're fighting your natural inclination, handedness-wise, on top of the struggle just to get around the stupid thing, you're fairly likely to be frustrated enough to put the thing down (or through a wall). Left-handed uprights are becoming more and more available, and why make it harder on yourself than it has to be, just in case you need to rent an instrument somewhere down the line, or want to sit in but don't feel like dragging your upright to the jam session?

The other thing that no one has mentioned in this thread is that there are degrees to which all people are left hand dominant, right hand dominant, or ambidextrous. I have always done everything left-handed. I know other left handed people who do some things righty, like using scissors (have you ever tried to use those cheap elementary school scissors with the wrong hand? no wonder I did so bad in art class!) And many lefty are more ambidextrous out of necessity, like those (like my friend's dad) who weren't allowed to write with their left hand in school. If you're a fairly ambidextrous lefty, why not at least try righty? I can't do it, but maybe you can.

But if you can't, don't feel pressured into it, and don't let it stop you from playing the instrument you want to play. And certainly don't listen to some know-it-all righty talking out his a**; after all, if the left hand is the one "doing all the work", why doesn't he as a righty, switch to lefty? Why have all string instruments, across the world, throughout history, been built “righty”? Give him a lefty instrument and watch him try to fret it with his “dominant” hand, it'll be amusing...


Oh yeah, I remembered, I do do something right handed; golf! I've got about a 10 handicap now, but maybe if I had learned lefty, I'd be on the PGA Tour like Phil Mickelson instead of being aggressively ignored in the corner of some crappy restaurant!

hear hear ,this!
 
I am glad to have the opportunity to read all this, as old as the thread is. Thanks to the mods for leaving it up.

I saw a bit, though not a lot, about ambixterity on here. I play stringed instruments lefty, and never could learn the other way. I write right-handed, I am 100% left-footed (when I kick things, which I am trying to do less!) Also, lefty-hockey, raking, lay-ups and dribbling a ball, though I can switch.

I think it is not as cut and dried as left or right-handedness, as my good friend is lefty in every way, but plays bass right-handed. not b/c a teacher made him, but b/c it FEELS correct.

I think there may be beginners who can re-learn to play right-handed, but for some i think it will never quite click. I think it is an error of singleminded thinking to say it is just as easy either way.