Double Bass let's be honest with string technology we don't need basses that big we need logistics

[damonsmith]

Also, trying to get some weird "permission" to go against common wisdom is always an odd impulse. Precisely because that is not how it works. You have to do the work and prove the wisdom wrong before getting everyone on board.
So go get your little bass, get a conductor and section leader to accept it, and come back and let us know how it goes!

 

[YurisDoubleBass]

Além disso, tente obter alguma "permissão" estranha para ir contra o senso comum é sempre um impulso estranho. Justamente porque não é assim que funciona. Você tem que fazer o trabalho e provar que a sabedoria está errada antes de colocar todos a bordo.
Então pegue seu contrabaixo, peça a um maestro e líder de sessão para aceitá-lo e volte para nos contar como foi!

bem acho que primeiro preciso comprar cordas novas e ajustar meu instrumento que não recebe manutenção a 4 anos sinto que algumas estão soando estranhas nele eheheheh I think he's sounding very nasal

 

[YurisDoubleBass]

and then buy a smaller bass to see if the maestro and the section will accept it. I am an 18-year-old bass player and I dream of having a future as a musician

 

[Don Hergert]

but what kind of string would I put in this bass their size?5/8 and 3/8

Have you looked at the traditional Mexican Guitarron??? Maybe this is your answer, although it is not designed for arco, so you would probably not be able to play it in an orchestra. Guitarron strings might be interesting, but it is not tuned like a double bass.

Is this the 2nd or 3rd thread you've posted about this??? It's really hard to tell what you really want; since none of us have the exact answer for you, do you want us to try it for you? I don't think any of us want to try to accomplish your project because it really doesn't follow the physics; the design, from the size down to the stings, is not supported by the technology available to work with.

Would we all like to have a double bass that we can fit in a standard dreadnought guitar case and still produce the normal acoustic octave range, volume and clarity that we're used to with both arco and pizz??? Of course. Does it exist? No. Is it practical or even possible to build? Evidently not, because no one is making them at this time.

There have been plenty of good faith suggestions provided in response to your threads about this, plus there are the things you've stated that you want to try. I'd say go ahead, try things, good luck to you. Let us know how it goes. No one here has experience with the combination of features and details that you want, so you're just going to have to figure it out yourself.

 

[damonsmith]

and then buy a smaller bass to see if the maestro and the section will accept it. I am an 18-year-old bass player and I dream of having a future as a musician

It is natural to question things, but I think you might be questioning the wrong things. I think you are best off accepting the instrument with its inconveniences out of the gate and see what you can do later on about them. Materials may evolve in your lifetime to make the things you want possible. Starting with this mindset is not going to put you on a path to get the most out of the instrument as it stands right now.

 

[Ludwig]

Big basses are played with electric bass guitars, too. Most electric bass guitars are long scale 34 inch instruments. With amplification needed anyhow, why do the long scale basses exists and not everyone is playing short scale basses or even ukulele basses ? Seems the physics, that low notes need big instruments apply everywhere....

 

[turf3]

Also, trying to get some weird "permission" to go against common wisdom is always an odd impulse. Precisely because that is not how it works. You have to do the work and prove the wisdom wrong before getting everyone on board.
So go get your little bass, get a conductor and section leader to accept it, and come back and let us know how it goes!

I also like the way some guy from out of nowhere who's probably been playing bass a few weeks bungee-jumps in to tell all of us how the laws of physics have been repealed and we cold have basses the size of guitars if the lazy-arse instrument makers would just pull their heads out of the sand and do it - never mind that people have been trying to get bass sound out of things smaller than double-basses for something like 300 years and so far the best they've been able to come up with is the electric bass guitar.

 

[turf3]

Big basses are played with electric bass guitars, too. Most electric bass guitars are long scale 34 inch instruments. With amplification needed anyhow, why do the long scale basses exists and not everyone is playing short scale basses or even ukulele basses ? Seems the physics, that low notes need big instruments apply everywhere....

Remarkable!

That's why they're called "laws of physics".

 

[YurisDoubleBass]

Também gosto da maneira como um cara vindo do nada, que provavelmente está tocando baixo há algumas semanas, salta de bungee-jump para contar a todos nós como as leis da física foram revogado e nós não teríamos baixos do tamanho de guitarras se os preguiçosos fabricantes de instrumentos apenas puxassem suas cabeças para fora da areia e fizessem isso - não importa que as pessoas tenham tentado tirar o som do baixo de coisas menores do que contrabaixos para algo como 300 anos e até agora o melhor que eles conseguiram inventar é o baixo elétrico.

Eu não cheguei a falar sobre tamanhos de guitarra apenas 1/8 1/4 1/2 tamanhos fracionários doublebass não distorcem o que eu escrevi

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Ég held að við ættum öll að draga andann djúpt hér. Við virðumst vera með unga manneskju sem er ekki enskumælandi að móðurmáli sem er að reyna að brjótast inn í kontrabassaheiminn og nota þýðingarforrit til að reyna að ná til okkar. Það er engin leið að segja til um hversu mikið skilaboðin okkar til þeirra eru ruglað af þýðingarforritinu og öfugt. Það er sennilega betra að láta þá njóta vafans, að mínu mati.

 

[TroyK]

Ég held að við ættum öll að draga andann djúpt hér. Við virðumst vera með unga manneskju sem er ekki enskumælandi að móðurmáli sem er að reyna að brjótast inn í kontrabassaheiminn og nota þýðingarforrit til að reyna að ná til okkar. Það er engin leið að segja til um hversu mikið skilaboðin okkar til þeirra eru ruglað af þýðingarforritinu og öfugt. Það er sennilega betra að láta þá njóta vafans, að mínu mati.

Yeah, I was just about to say the same thing.

 

[peteswanson91]

Also, trying to get some weird "permission" to go against common wisdom is always an odd impulse. Precisely because that is not how it works. You have to do the work and prove the wisdom wrong before getting everyone on board.
So go get your little bass, get a conductor and section leader to accept it, and come back and let us know how it goes!

Damon always laying down the TRUTH!!

 

[peteswanson91]

Andrea spada was a huge believer in smaller instruments … much of his work relied on the geometric build of the instrument (he would say it was not intended to be “sacred geometry” but actually ended up that way after the fact)
He was a genius

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Slightly off topic, but I will say that bigger isn't always better. My main bass is the first NS LaScala hybrid made. It is shallower front to back than every other one I have run across, and I like its super articulate voice and have always wondered if the reduced depth is a factor in it sounding the way it does.

 

[Ed Fuqua]

Ég held að við ættum öll að draga andann djúpt hér. Við virðumst vera með unga manneskju sem er ekki enskumælandi að móðurmáli sem er að reyna að brjótast inn í kontrabassaheiminn og nota þýðingarforrit til að reyna að ná til okkar. Það er engin leið að segja til um hversu mikið skilaboðin okkar til þeirra eru ruglað af þýðingarforritinu og öfugt. Það er sennilega betra að láta þá njóta vafans, að mínu mati.

What bass is best for Gaelic?

 

[Greg Clinkingbeard]

and then buy a smaller bass to see if the maestro and the section will accept it. I am an 18-year-old bass player and I dream of having a future as a musician

Many years ago an employer called me into his office and told me, ‘you don’t know what you don’t know’.
Well, of course…..
Youth and inexperience often come with certainty; the young often have beliefs that haven’t been tested by the reality of living.
I’ve discovered that most of what I thought was true at 18 is either absolutely wrong or significantly challenged.
Very few things in my life are absolute. Most things involve trade offs.
All things equal, bigger basses will sound bigger. To make a smaller bass sound bigger, more resonant and warmer often means it is compromised structurally and may require top repair in the near future.
Lugging around big, heavy basses may require back surgery and knee replacement in the future. Trade offs.

 

[turf3]

Well, sure, no one disputes that a lightly built smaller bass carefully crafted with maximum attention to getting a lot of sound out of it can put out more sound than an overbuilt larger bass built to a low cost point and prioritizing durability.

But at some point you run into the laws of physics. If you've got a small bass that's a (relative) cannon, then nothing's stopping you from applying the exact same things to a larger bass and getting a realy hyper-cannon. Given the same design scaled up and down, the bigger resonant cavity driven by the longer massier higher tension strings is going to move more air.

Once again, after 300+ years of people trying to make the double bass smaller and louder at the same time, we still come around to the same answer over and over: you want a lot more sound out of a lot smaller bass, you have to change the technology. The known change in technology that's now been working for us for about 90 years is electronic amplification. A wee little DB with a pickup amp and equalizer can sound BIG. And of course a Precision Bass with flatwound strings and an amp can sound BBBIIIIIGGGGGGG!!!

 

[GretschWretch]

What bass is best for Gaelic?

Forget Gaelic. What is the best bass for Welsh? The label would take up the entire interior.

 

[Notaluthier]

Forget Gaelic. What is the best bass for Welsh? The label would take up the entire interior.

Kraftfahrzeug-Haftpflichtversicherung

 

[Don Kasper]

Will a Moderator (or a Linguist, or a Physicist, or a Luthier, or a Principal Bassist), PLEEZE lock this ridiculous Thread? I think a small lock, not a big lock, would work best.
Or move it to Bass Humor (DB), where it can really thrive.
Plz and Thx.