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LIL' WAYNE
- Thread starter crispygoat
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And congratulations! Now you're the one that sounds half ********.
I'm not even going to address your list because it makes all the points I would make for me. Thanks for that! You saved me some valuable time. You've proven your own closed-mindedness and ignorance and now I can go about my business.
Have you seen the market he's selling too? He's just giving them what they want. I don't have to defend him, and he doesn't have to defend himself. The record sales speak volumes.
Have you been around him personally? Shared a few drinks over dinner? I don't think it's any of our place to judge what he does in his private life... and I doubt his actual private life ever makes it into the spotlight... just the publicity stories that add to his notoriety.
I'm not even a huge Wayne fan, but denying his marketing prowess is foolish.
The marketing machine behind the man are simply really good at marketing really simple music to really simple people. **** like this isn't designed to make people think. Simple as that. Personally, I've quoted it before, and I'll quote it again.
"I've heard better music blown through pantyhose."
"I've heard better music blown through pantyhose."
I've been listening to rap since I was about 5 (1989), and I'm still a fan of Weezy F. Then again, I seem to be one of the old school rap fans that likes pretty much every rapper. I can listen to some underground rap crews like MoleMen, Rhymesayers, or QN5, but I also like a lot of mainstream stuff too. The thing about Wayne, for me anyway, is that he makes his stuff sound so catchy and it entertains me. Sure it has no message whatsoever, and it's crappy lyrics about the same stuff 80% of the time, but damn if it doesn't entertain me. And for most mainstream artists, he's actually pretty clever and witty with his lines, if you bother to listen to his stuff without actually thinking it should have a message in it. I used to be a mainstream rap hater in the late 90's and early 00's, during the "golden" age of underground rap, with Rawkus at the forefront. But now I honestly listen to way more mainstream rappers than underground ones. I want to be entertained when I listen to rap, not hear preaching or a sermon or substandard production and mastering.
Lil' Wayne FTW.
Lil' Wayne FTW.
What a load. I'm old enough to have been around when rap was just hitting the mainstream and making it big. It was garbadge then and it's garbadge now.
Anyone who hears a live rap, "peformance," as opposed to the studio peformance that is polished by studio pros, and then thinks that ANY rapper has music talent, must be tone deaf.
Rapper = talentless. All they do is rhyme words, wave their arms around and try to act stylish/hip. Any moron with a rhyming dictionary and half ass sense of synchopation can rap as good as anybody rapping on a major release right now.
People spout stuff like, "O but you are ignorant you havn't heard the really good stuff that isn't commercialized and bastardized," are dillusional.
Rap music is noise made by retards for retards.
So you're even more arrogant and ignorant than the OP or a troll. COOL!
You're post just oozes with fantastic ignorance! It's great!
So rhyming takes no talent? Shakespeare, Blake, Yeats, Frost, Dickinson... They were talentless too, right?
Rapping with real conviction and passion with real words conveying a real message is quite challenging. I DARE you to do it--do it well.
And look I can be equally ignorant about other genres of music!
Look at that rock music! All they do is play those twangy guitars and b**** about their girlfriends! It's just a bunch of dumb white people talking about dumb things!
Or on a more serious critique:
Look at the state of generic rock! Just a bunch of bands with equally talentless musicians assembled by a team of A&R guys with songs written for them, playing the same instruments, with the same settings into pro tools!
The mainstream sucks in all the genres, but IT MAKES MONEY and allows for the good music to be invested in for us musicians who have more discerning ears. I hate mainstream rock, but accept it because it allows less marketable groups to be invested in. Just like I'm not a fan of main stream rap, because it raises the funds for more talented hip hop groups to be recorded.
Visirale, why even bother? If the guy hates rap music, then he hates rap music. It's always like that, with the same tired arguments. So long as you like it and realize that it does take talent, then that's good. While I think he has a poor, biased and ignorant opinion, he is still entitled to it. Oh well.
Your comparing these people to rappers:
"So rhyming takes no talent? Shakespeare, Blake, Yeats, Frost, Dickinson... They were talentless too, right?".............
bwhahahahaahhahahha! You are seriously delusional.
Yes, making rhyming schemes and writing poems takes very little talent.
It is not hard to to at all. Simply count out the sylables of your first line and make the next one match, so on so forth, add a beat and some rhyming words here and there, and there you go, as much talent as any rapper..... which is none.
IMO rappers are just in it for the money, not the love of music. Most of them are just too lazy to learn how to sing or play an instrument. why should they, the stupid music business always puts the lowest forms of music on a pedastal.
Again you are dilusional if you think rapping takes talent or hard work. And yes I could do it just as well as any of them. Just like anyone with 3rd grade vocabulary and a very basic rhythmic sense could.
If I was black I'd pretend to be hard and put out an album and probably have a major record deal.
Sure, there is lot of crap in rock music. I'd wager that even the crap rock bands could rap if they tried it for five minutes. Most rappers wouldn't know the first thing about singing or playing an instrument.
"So rhyming takes no talent? Shakespeare, Blake, Yeats, Frost, Dickinson... They were talentless too, right?".............
bwhahahahaahhahahha! You are seriously delusional.
Yes, making rhyming schemes and writing poems takes very little talent.
It is not hard to to at all. Simply count out the sylables of your first line and make the next one match, so on so forth, add a beat and some rhyming words here and there, and there you go, as much talent as any rapper..... which is none.
IMO rappers are just in it for the money, not the love of music. Most of them are just too lazy to learn how to sing or play an instrument. why should they, the stupid music business always puts the lowest forms of music on a pedastal.
Again you are dilusional if you think rapping takes talent or hard work. And yes I could do it just as well as any of them. Just like anyone with 3rd grade vocabulary and a very basic rhythmic sense could.
If I was black I'd pretend to be hard and put out an album and probably have a major record deal.
Sure, there is lot of crap in rock music. I'd wager that even the crap rock bands could rap if they tried it for five minutes. Most rappers wouldn't know the first thing about singing or playing an instrument.
Rhyming takes talent. But let me take an excerpt from the most downloaded rap song in history:
"Soulja boy off in this hoe
Watch me crank it
Watch me roll
Watch me crank dat soulja boy
Then super man dat hoe"
It sounds a lot like "eeny, meeny, miny, moe"
Compare that to the meter and rhymes of Shakespeare, you obviously figure out what is trash and what is art.
What? He wasn't even replying to you. He was talking to captain dumbass up there.
EDIT: Oh, didn't realize you were the one that started the thread. my bad. I'm not sure why people immediately took your statements to be anti-hiphop as opposed to anti-wayne (I want to kick the dude in the teeth myself, but that's mostly for wasting what talent he has on dumb stuff and for fronting like he can play the guitar).
huge flaming fail of a thread!
some poeple don't get jazz, fusion, funk, jaco, flea, jazz basses, p basses, sx, guns (I kid I kid).......point is, in the end it's their loss! not mine, not yours....THEIRS! some people are blissfully ignorant..... again not my problem! some dudes are all like "I've been around for a hundred years, so I must know more then the next guy"........ but they don't...all they've learned is the art of being more stubborn and set in their ways as the years have passed! some people can't evolve musically...... (can't tell ya how many hair metal bands lurk on long island!)..... all of it is their loss, not mine not ours!!!!!.......theirs! we can all agree once you stop learning you won't step forward, fine with me! I enjoyed ric's insight, it makes me realize how I'm always a step ahead. I'm still learning and musically I'll continue to evolve until my fingers fail me. ric isn't a hurdle, he's an inspiration. I'm inspired to never allow myself to become so close minded and bitter at the success of others and to always keep my ears open. people are passionate about things for a reason, I wanna know why! so I'll grow! stop being a student...and failure is the only thing to look forward!
Found out 30 mins ago I'm playin with the Roots on Sept 14th!!!! Ric, I'll tell ya all about it! Off to practice! peace!
some poeple don't get jazz, fusion, funk, jaco, flea, jazz basses, p basses, sx, guns (I kid I kid).......point is, in the end it's their loss! not mine, not yours....THEIRS! some people are blissfully ignorant..... again not my problem! some dudes are all like "I've been around for a hundred years, so I must know more then the next guy"........ but they don't...all they've learned is the art of being more stubborn and set in their ways as the years have passed! some people can't evolve musically...... (can't tell ya how many hair metal bands lurk on long island!)..... all of it is their loss, not mine not ours!!!!!.......theirs! we can all agree once you stop learning you won't step forward, fine with me! I enjoyed ric's insight, it makes me realize how I'm always a step ahead. I'm still learning and musically I'll continue to evolve until my fingers fail me. ric isn't a hurdle, he's an inspiration. I'm inspired to never allow myself to become so close minded and bitter at the success of others and to always keep my ears open. people are passionate about things for a reason, I wanna know why! so I'll grow! stop being a student...and failure is the only thing to look forward!
Found out 30 mins ago I'm playin with the Roots on Sept 14th!!!! Ric, I'll tell ya all about it! Off to practice! peace!
Holy crap dude, that's awesome! You've gotta tell us how it went! Congratulations.
