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LIL' WAYNE

Fact: I am an angst-filled, pasty white, red headed teenager, in love with his Coffee, his pretension, and his Keruac novels. I pontificate endlessly on musical subjects from the Jesus and Mary Chain to The Yeah Yeah Yeahs. Modest Mouse to Russian Circles. The Beatles to the Kinks to the Clash to the Dead Kennedys to Cursive. Just thought I should clarify that before I said:

I feel that Hip Hop is the new Jazz, and I've held to this for years now (it was cool to hear someone else echo this thought in the newest Bass Player). Sure, there's a lot of garbage. But just like with Jazz, and every other genre, you've got to dig through the trash to find the gold. Just like Jazz, if you don't dig it, get off the train. That just means it's not your music. Your distaste for Hip Hop does not suddenly make it garbage.

IMO, people like NAS and Lil' Wayne are doing something that no one else around is: Seamlessly blending something marketable, with something just controversial enough to be political, not to mention having deep, thought provoking ideas to the lyrics, and having something enjoyable to listen to. Between Untitled, Tha Carter III, and N.E.R.D.'s newest, this year has seen some of the best Rap and Hip Hop in recent memory. Between that, Madvillan, Danger Mouse and all he's doing for the music world, Atmosphere, hell, I'll say it, Kanye West (sure he's a douche, makes some cool music though), there is a lot of good to be found. EDIT: The above, Atmosphere, one of the most successful underground DJ's around= White. Saying you have to be black to Rap is like saying you have to be white to play Guitar. It's a racist statement.

However, if you want to take it at face value and say that the endless repetition and sampling of artist's like Soulja Boy represents the depth and bounds of all that Hip Hop has to offer (which would be like saying Stryper represented all of Metal in the 80's and Daughtry represents all of Modern Rock), cool, whatever. Just don't come on to a forum and complain like you're going to change something. If you don't like it, just turn it off, and leave it alone.
 
Im not a giant hip hop/rap fan, but I feal it suffers the same stereotypes that Heavy Metal does, and you all probably know by now that Im very big Metal fan. I also work at a country format radio station. Ive listened to tons of music and Ill say this: If you listen to enough songs in any genre you will eventually find something you like. Secondly the hardcore fans of most genres dont like the popular artists within that genre (there are exceptions). The Mainstream misrepresnts every genre. If you want to find meanfingful good music find a die hard fan of the genre and talk to them about what they like. Then you will know what its all about untill you have done that dont make assumptions. There is meaningful music in every genre and their is manufactured music in every genre.

When I see things like ric's list it makes me angry. I can tell that he has listened to very little rap music and has already written off the entire genre. Yet Im sure he wishes people had a more open mind about the music he enjoys and creates. I love Metal, I was raised on 80'pop and hair metal. Ive been to operas and Ive hung out with street rappers. I work at a country music station and I appreciate funk basslines. Im glad I dont have the attitude about music that persons like ric do, and it has lead me to appreciate adn enjoy a wide selection of entertainment. I wish more people would embrase an open attitude toward music and life in general.


That attitude can only help make you a better musician. Beats sitting in a nice comfy box.
 
I love this attitude that because I think this or that is crap I am closed minded. The simple fact is I can't stand any kind of music that is obvious crud and lauded like it is something special or that it takes a lot of talent.

To me it's the same as these artists that do stuff like keep a dog on leesh and watch it starve or crap all over a crucifix and call it art and then art snobs who think they are hip and in the know act like they get it and anyone who doesn't is ignorant of what good art is.

Rap is the biggest media joke ever perpetrated on music lovers, the only reason it exsists is because they pushed it on you and put in on pedastal as this meaningful cultural music. The music industry doesn't have to worry about finding talent for that kind of, "music," because there is literally a planet full of people capable of the same thing.

Look at my other post and tell me that almost every rapper ever doesn't fit that description.

Rap is way worse than hair metal every was. Hair metal got ripped on for all the bands that had the same look and sounded the same and were marginal musicians. Rap has been doing that since it's beginning, and ten times as long, yet somehow no one really calls them on it.


Gee, is it 1985 again?
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I rarely post here, but this thread has me a bit peturbed.

It's obvious to me this ric character has little exposure to the wonderful world of hip-hop, which is fine. I personally used to subscribe to a viewpoint similar to his.


Then I started listening to bands like De La Soul, Wu-Tang, Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, Big L, etc.

I should also state right now that I consider myself to be a jazz devotee and am as pretentious as they come.

People seem so eager to judge hip-hop and rap on what they hear on the popular radio stations and MTV. An entire genre of music spread over 30+ years cannot be judged on a couple crappy songs. It's exactly this kind of attitude that stagnates our artform and keeps it from evolving.

Just my two pennies worth. :)
 
I rarely post here, but this thread has me a bit peturbed.

It's obvious to me this ric character has little exposure to the wonderful world of hip-hop, which is fine. I personally used to subscribe to a viewpoint similar to his.


Then I started listening to bands like De La Soul, Wu-Tang, Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, Big L, etc.

I should also state right now that I consider myself to be a jazz devotee and am as pretentious as they come.

People seem so eager to judge hip-hop and rap on what they hear on the popular radio stations and MTV. An entire genre of music spread over 30+ years cannot be judged on a couple crappy songs. It's exactly this kind of attitude that stagnates our artform and keeps it from evolving.
Just my two pennies worth.

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Any music fan that listens to listen to, and likes, Lil' Wayne doesn't know anything about music.

Any rap fan that listens to, and likes, Lil' Wayne doesn't know anything about music or rap.

It's bad either way. Sorry guys, but it's true. You will have to come to terms with it eventually. You can throw around the word "opinion" like its okay to like him, but that doesn't change simple facts.
 
Any music fan that listens to listen to, and likes, Lil' Wayne doesn't know anything about music.

Any rap fan that listens to, and likes, Lil' Wayne doesn't know anything about music or rap.

It's bad either way. Sorry guys, but it's true. You will have to come to terms with it eventually. You can throw around the word "opinion" like its okay to like him, but that doesn't change simple facts.

Wow, I am truly speechless at the disgusting amount of ignorance within this single post...

If you really feel that way... then good for you, I guess?
 
I think its a tight rap. Ive learned something as a long time Metal fan. When it comes to non-mainstream genres, people either get it or they dont. I just wish they could have a good backing argument for why they dont like something. I just posted Celph cause I like the song man.
 
I think its a tight rap. Ive learned something as a long time Metal fan. When it comes to non-mainstream genres, people either get it or they dont. I just wish they could have a good backing argument for why they dont like something. I just posted Celph cause I like the song man.

I don't there's anything wrong with Celph. He's really clever and has great punchlines, but undoubtedly anyone who is a rap hater and listens to Celph Titled will just lambaste it due to the lyrics. That's what I meant about it being a "not so great" choice.

EDIT: It was a Celph production... that's what I get for just loading the link but not listening to the song, lol. I'm an idiot.
 
Yes, making rhyming schemes and writing poems takes very little talent.

It is not hard to to at all. Simply count out the sylables of your first line and make the next one match, so on so forth, add a beat and some rhyming words here and there, and there you go, as much talent as any rapper..... which is none.

I know this thought got lost in a sea of inane, trolling ones, but this seriously gave me a great laugh.

Writing bad poetry takes very little talent.
 
ahahahahaahahahaha, ya he's intelligent. wow you have low standards. The guy can't even speak without sounding half ********.

He is not a marketer or an entrepeneur. He is just another in the long line of rappers that the music business pukes out.

Rules for making it it rap music:

1. Be black and a thug if not try real hard to act like you are.

2. Be thug and promote gang violence. If not and instead you are really a wimpy little weenie from the subburbs pretend you are from the street and hard.

3. Make sure to rap about bitches.

4. Make sure to rap about hoes.

5. Make sure to rap about gang life and violence. And promote being a criminal and violent as a great way to live.

6. Make sure to rap about how you feel about black culture and how, "the man," is keeping you down.

7. Make sure to rap about how much flow your raps have and that no one can beat them and everyone is jealous.

8. Make sure to wear a sports jearsey at some point.

9. Make sure to wear a baseball cap and turn to a slant that looks like someone tried to knock it off your head but you were too lazy to correct it.

10. Wear a rediculous amount of jewelery to show your fans how they are making you rich.

11. Wear a jewel encrusted, "grill," on your teeth even though you don't wear braces. This is really important as it will help you slur your words even more.

12. Make sure that some of your raps try to invent new colorful phrases in the hopes the phrase will catch on and people will repeat it.

13. When you play live make sure to hire a real band to back you up to make you look like a real artist.

14. When you play live make sure to have a team of other rappers around echoing parts of raps.

15.It's also a must that you and your hype men have no sense of pitch and sound very little like the recorded version of the rap. Even better if it's obvious that you are about the lose your voice, even though all you are doing is rapping.

16. When you can't find a good rhyme for a word make up new word that never exsisted before.

17. When you can't be bothered to write your own beats and background for your raps just rip off another artists and call it sampleing.

18. Make sure to have guest rappers/artist on your album to make up for the lack or real musical content, creativity and general skill.

Honestly. Go out and buy Public Enemy's "It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" and tell me that what Chuck D does on that album does not require immense talent. It is probably one of the top 5 hip hop records of all time. Public Enemy dealt with themes of being strong black individuals and educating yourself. Maybe those ideas offend or scare you.

With maybe the exception of #11 (comic relief Flava Flave) and your ridiculous bitching about sports jersey's (I have seen Neil Peart and Christian McBride where clothes with sports team logos on stage, does that make them inferior?) Public Enemy does not line up with your criteria.

And #1? I guess you forgot about Eminem and the Beastie Boys huh?
 

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