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Little mixers

Apr 11, 2005
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Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
Been doing a lot of experimenting the past few days, and I'm seriously considering running two lines on every gig, one REDDI, one mic. I've done both separately and together and I've decided that both have their strengths, and I want to play to them rather than accept one or the other for everything. For clean and mildly overdriven tones on electric as well as upright, I love the REDDI, but I've added some heavier and fuzzier distorted tones over the past year or two, and the mic works better because it adds a little pop to the sound but takes away that sputtery buzzy sound that you can get by going direct. Yes, speaker sims do help alleviate that when going direct, but not like the mic does. Even when I mic my little practice amp, it improves the heavier sounds, and I think I simply have to have both.

I have two problems, though...first is a lack of available channels. We're a very large band with horns and 6 members who sing, and we do occasional gigs with other bands who have the same. Second thing is I want complete control of the blend and have the ability to manipulate it as I see fit because no soundman is ever going to know what I want unless he works with us on every gig, and that's completely impossible under our circumstances. I did get the bright idea to combine the two and run the mic into the REDDI since it has a combo input jack, and it's not bad at all and does do a little something that I liked, but I think I like blending the two better, plus I know the whiners are going to complain about getting the mic by itself again.

So I haven't decided it for sure because it'll add more work for me, but it looks like a little 2-ch mixer might be in my future. Not that my fuzzy tones don't sound great through the REDDI...I just want to tone down the sputter. I'm not really up on what's out there, so I turn to you folks. Price is always an issue, but I'm willing to spend a little extra to get something of good quality. The Mackie 401VLZ4 is looking pretty good to me, especially since they're owned by LOUD and I can get a price on it ;) but I'm willing to hear suggestions about other ones you might use and enjoy.

What I'm not willing to hear suggestions about, though, are DI amp emulation solutions or suggestions to ditch the effects. I've got several excellent amp simulations at my disposal, analog and digital, and they're all very good but none of them do what the mic did. And regarding effects, I respect everyone else's choices for their own tonal journey, and I demand that same respect for mine. Nor am I interested in your opinions of me micromanaging my signal. I micromanage my signal and that's all there is to it, and I couldn't care less who has a problem with it. So if the only thing you can think of to say is "ditch the effects" or "you do your job and let the soundman do his," I suggest you just keep it to yourself and mosey on over to the next thread. Not trying to be difficult...I just know how it goes in this forum.
 
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I like the simplicity angle of that Rolls mixer, but you know what I've noticed about the low priced 2-4 ch mixers? None of them have mute switches. That's kind of a bummer. I mean faders and knobs are no big deal to deal with, but I'd like to have a mute switch on each channel for when I want to shut one or the other off. On the other hand, how complicated do I want to make my life? ;) I'd probably just want some sort of set-it-and-forget-it dealio anyway. So a little EQ would be necessary since I'd have to come up with a workable blend of the two signals. Considering stepping up to the sub-$200 mark and getting a larger mixer for that reason. Just don't know if I want to deal with a big one.

Arrggghhh....so many options!
 
The Mackie would be a good as anything. Every time I rolled my eyes at seeing one, I wound up thinking, hey, this sounds fine, what was I thinking? The ProFXv2 might be an option. Two-band EQ, no mute switches

If you can stomach Behringer (and I can, I'm over all the stuff from years ago), this might be a happy medium, although there is no mute switches. Three-band EQ, though.

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Didn't see anything in the Yamaha line. A lot of overkill for your needs, as I understand them.

I looked around at several small mixers (Phonic, Livewire, Yamaha, a couple of other). No mute switches. Dang....

Good luck....
 
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Just checked out the ProFX4v2. Looks like a heck of a lot of mixer for not much money at all. But every little bit of size counts when you have to find room up there for an upright. The Behringer looks cool too, but if the Mackie is as good as any, I'm definitely leaning in that direction. Go Team LOUD!

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Only bought it because I was planning on using keyboards too (not anymore), and figured since my band's called Zephyr Blue (not my idea), might as well get something with Zephyr in the name. I don't use as much because it's just one more thing to worry about. One XLR mic input. I like the big dial for main volume.

The Invalid Link Removed ($49) might work well for you at the same price.

But I think the Invalid Link Removed ($99) might be better. It has two XLR mic inputs and balanced Main Outs if that's important to you.

I read reviews that the Behringer models have some goofy power-supply jack that isn't very reliable.
 
You already use a pedal tuner? That would mute the electric bass. Now, you just need to mute the DB. Is there a volume control on your DB preamp that you could use to mute it?
Not wanting mutes for that. Both instruments go through the tuner so a master mute isn't needed. I was thinking that I could turn off the DI or mic as I see fit with mutes.

So what you're looking to do is combine your stage signals with a mixer and then send mixer output to FOH rather than the individual signals, right? I like the idea. What features would be needed on the output end of the mixer to send a proper signal to FOH?
Well sending a proper signal would be a start ;) But maybe a little basic EQ function would be all I'd need since muting is out unless I spend more money.
 
The thing I think would be useful in this situation is a stomp-box form factor, not a little desk-top, or rack-mount format. The small desk-top is less practical for stage use, and for tossing in a gig bag. I'll second the A B Y box suggestion.
The main functions you want is to blend two inputs, varying the levels, and muting each independently. Xlrs all around? Passive, (transformers, and pads only) or buffered? Mic, or line level out? Phantom power if buffered? Just thinking out loud here.
 
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IMO, mute buttons are quite essential.
If you're in soundcheck, the first thing the mixer wants to do (especially when there's a sound-problem), is listen to the channels seperately.
And you don't want to mess with your settings at that point.
>> my advise: something with at least two channels and mute buttons. I'll have a search...
 
We've been using the previous version of that mackie at work for a few years now to plug a laptop playing music into the PA. It's worked great and it's used 180 days a year. We have it mounted to the wall, so you can probably mount it to a pedal board or something to make your life easier. It does have a non standard power cable though, so make sure you don't lose it.
 
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