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I agree. And I left out the scenarios of what happens without strings.
But it all depends on how much matter and anti matter. It could annihilate just a small portion of reality.
True on air pressure however cargo hold temperartures can still be extremeFluctuation in air pressure? Go back to the first page of the thread - you will find that the cargo hold in all commercial airliners AND air freight aircraft are PRESSURIZED. Non-issue.
I think we have exhausted all the permutations possible of this topic. Now, if the people who are wrong would just go ahead and admit to it we can all put the matter to rest.
Never thought it would get this heated. Very passionate about our necks.
I bet the guys on the guitar forum are discussing belly button lint.
I bet the guys on the guitar forum are discussing belly button lint.
Guitar forum guys are talking about Strymon, whatever that is, and Dumble.
I've never actually played any instrument, except a harmonica, in my bedroom.
And the goats and chickens ride in the economy section with the rest of us.
Hi all, Just to dispel some stuff I have seen here about commercial aircraft.
I am licensed aircraft mechanic for a major cargo company here in the U.S.
Yes it is true all modern commercial aircraft lower cargo holds are pressurized.
What is not true is that lower cargo heat is always used. If there are no
live animals on the manifest, a pilot will typically not use cargo heat.
So a lot of the time the lower cargos get very cold during the flight. Boxes never complain.
I have seen a few dead dogs get pulled off of aircraft in my career with passenger
airlines that either the pilot forgot to turn on cargo heat or the cargo heat malfunctioned.
Let the debate continue..........
I am licensed aircraft mechanic for a major cargo company here in the U.S.
Yes it is true all modern commercial aircraft lower cargo holds are pressurized.
What is not true is that lower cargo heat is always used. If there are no
live animals on the manifest, a pilot will typically not use cargo heat.
So a lot of the time the lower cargos get very cold during the flight. Boxes never complain.
I have seen a few dead dogs get pulled off of aircraft in my career with passenger
airlines that either the pilot forgot to turn on cargo heat or the cargo heat malfunctioned.
Let the debate continue..........
I'm sure that's the case. In my area, a counter person told me that due to a upward trend in damaged claims, FedEx was trying to mitigate things best they could by having their counter people ramp up their inspection efforts. With ebay, Amazon, Etsy, etc., becoming commonplace, there are probably lots more poorly packed items flowing through their hands. I'm not absolving shippers of all damage cases, as we have all seen properly packaged items damaged by shipper mis-treatment.
It seems to only way to totally eliminate the chance that the counter person may open the box (and potentially mess-up your perfect packing job) is to call for a pick-up or drop off the package at the FedEx depot at the airport, if there is one close by.
Yup, but the claim limits for musical instruments was lowered in the past year or so. What sucks is that is you can still purchase $2000 of insurance for $20, even though the claim may now be limited to $1200. (dollar values I posted are fictitious) I'm not sure if that has been corrected in their software or not.
High volume shippers negotiate their own rates. Being self-insured means that the shipper does not purchase any FedEx insurance, rater they take their chances, and by using statistics, they have calculated that any goods lost or damaged in transit that the shipper has to replace on their dime still costs less than purchasing insurance for each shipment.
Sounds like that is worth looking into.
But for now, if the bass's value I'm shipping falls within FedExs' coverage limits, and they request de-tuning to be eligible for their insurance, I'll de-tune it regardless of the engineering arguments for or against.
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Yes. You seem to know an awful lot about this contentious issue so, please, the floor is yours.....
It'd be great if the shipping companies would, also, ramp up their efforts when it comes to handling packages more carefully.
I this era of 24 hour delivery for a roll of toilet paper, shippers and drivers are under tremendous pressure like never before.
While this remains an unsolvable crisis in the TB world, I would sum it up in the following way.
The person proposing a solution bears the burden of proving the problem exists in the first place. Loosening the strings is a solution and therefore that is the camp that bears the burden of proof in this conversation. But as far as I can see there isn't any evidence of even a single bass damaged in shipping where string tension was a significant contributing factor. Also, all evidence points to instrument manufacturers shipping with strings in tune and the world somehow keeps turning.
But let us carry on. I enjoy a hypothetical discussion probably even more than the next guy.
The person proposing a solution bears the burden of proving the problem exists in the first place. Loosening the strings is a solution and therefore that is the camp that bears the burden of proof in this conversation. But as far as I can see there isn't any evidence of even a single bass damaged in shipping where string tension was a significant contributing factor. Also, all evidence points to instrument manufacturers shipping with strings in tune and the world somehow keeps turning.
But let us carry on. I enjoy a hypothetical discussion probably even more than the next guy.
In reference to damage by airlines: Have you seen the videos of how some baggage handlers handle our luggage and gear? Some appear to cause as much damage as they can, slamming and throwing items as hard as they can. It is a wonder anything survives, and I'm sure not all handlers do this.
When I worked at a music store I saw several Martin and Gibson acoustic guitars brought in with broken headstocks. The owners said the damage happened from the airline where they checked the guitar in luggage, and all had hard shell cases with no apparent damage, but not fight cases. They had insured their guitars for the flight, but the airlines declined to pay blaming the damage on the owners not detuning the strings. This may be a source of the misinformation that you have to detune for a flight.
I am convinced the airlines will destroy what can be destroyed and deny insurance payments any way they can. Gard, thanks for you informed and accurate responses.
Mark
When I worked at a music store I saw several Martin and Gibson acoustic guitars brought in with broken headstocks. The owners said the damage happened from the airline where they checked the guitar in luggage, and all had hard shell cases with no apparent damage, but not fight cases. They had insured their guitars for the flight, but the airlines declined to pay blaming the damage on the owners not detuning the strings. This may be a source of the misinformation that you have to detune for a flight.
I am convinced the airlines will destroy what can be destroyed and deny insurance payments any way they can. Gard, thanks for you informed and accurate responses.
Mark
