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Braden Persch

Braden Persch

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Dec 22, 2014
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#1
I currently play through a GK 700Rb with a GK Neo 410. My band (death metal) just added a 2nd guitarist, so i'm now competing with 2 half stacks. I'm looking at adding a second cabinet to get a 4ohm load from my head, but wanted to get some opinions about the different GK cabs.

1. I wanted to get a Neo 210, but I just found out they were discontinued. Ampeg makes one but it's more expensive than the 410 I have now. Is the Ampeg Pro Neo worth the money?

2. Should I just add another 410, or would a 212/115 be more beneficial to my "sound"? I like lots of midrange and lots of volume. I'm aware of the arguments between the different speaker sizes, and that I should pick what sounds best to me. I've already checked Guitar center and I'd have to special order a cabinet. I'd like to know what would be my best bet before I have them order something in.
Thanks dudes.
 
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Braden Persch said:
Noob question but i've noticed you're kinda the expert around here. When playing live would it make more sense to stack the cabs, or have one on each side of the stage?
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Oh, I'm not really an expert, but thanks :D Stacking cabs works best for me. Gets a cab up to my ears and I can actually hear the rig as it stands rather than missing out on highs and upper mids blowing past my knees.
 
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2 guitarists shouldn't automatically mean twice as loud. . . . I know is usually does, but if that's the case the band needs to give itself a talking to.

Talk about levels, balance and the sound of the band.

I know, I'm away with the fairies. Guitarists have to play at 11 so they can "get their sound" so another 410 stacked would be my way forward, and get a pair of custom ear plugs.
 
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Agreed with all of the above.
The best cab for your situation is an identical 410.

The best solution to your situation is to tell the two guitarists to not compete with each other volume wise, and you start occupying the frequency below them.

It shouldn't be a "competition" at all.....doesn't matter who wins- the audience thinks your too damn loud.
 
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OT, what would you "bi-amp"? using the 4x10 as just a top end or bottom end is like buying a Humvee to drive on dry, warm days to church and nothing else; or a Ferrari to do your grocery shopping.... just not what it's for.
 
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Looks like a complicated problem.

You have a mismatched situation here.

Without consideration of the fact that you need 2x the sum of the Guitarists total power to be at the same volume, you are somewhat ham strung, in this opinion, by the fact that you have less surface area in each of your transducers.

Laying that aside,

You have an 800W cabinet driven by a 480W head.

You are seriously underpowered from the cabinet's perspective, but have plenty of head room against 2x 100W Marshall Halfstacks, if that is what they are running,

If they are running Halfstacks off of 800W Marshalls you are going to be in for ride, because you have only a quarter of the power you need and your surface area is a whole lot less than what they have.

See what they have really first.

Estimation right now is that a little more power between 8-4 ohms by increasing speakers is not going to be as happy a place as a better matched Power Section to the Cabinet you already have.

In brief: You have no idea what you really have until you get 800W into the 800W Cabinet that you already have. This is written despite a prejudice against 10" transducers making the frequency range below the guitarist and not getting lost.

We have seen a Guitard running 200W S/S into 24 12" and fire a Bassist for being too loud when he was running 425 into 2 x 12".

Without 800W of Power into your 800W@8Ohm cabinet, there is no possilbe way to say you do not have enough cabinet. With 2 cabinets you are still under-powered.

We are not going to under-estimate the power of POWWWWA!
 
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I play guitar in one band and bass in another. I ended up being the sound mediator for both bands because nobody else was doing it. Luckily we share a drummer for both and he's cool with us leveling everything out as we need to. So I totally understand where leveling issues can occur. All it takes is for you guys to agree upon a good level for practice and then mark your volumes and then set them the same for shows. When mic'd up with a PA just make sure to have the monitors leveled for each section of the stage so you can hear what's going on from everybody else as well. No new equipment needed
 
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villhelmromero said:
I play guitar in one band and bass in another. I ended up being the sound mediator for both bands because nobody else was doing it. Luckily we share a drummer for both and he's cool with us leveling everything out as we need to. So I totally understand where leveling issues can occur. All it takes is for you guys to agree upon a good level for practice and then mark your volumes and then set them the same for shows. When mic'd up with a PA just make sure to have the monitors leveled for each section of the stage so you can hear what's going on from everybody else as well. No new equipment needed
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Yes much can be achieved by Sound Reinforcement and giving leeway to ensemble, but this is a Death Metal act.

We have seen situations where the bassist comes in 2X over power of the Guitarist as Entwistle ascertained and there was no problem at all, because he had discipline to play for the group.

We have seen where that increase in mass and power made the Guitarist go out and get a bottom 4X12 and go into nirvana because the tone was more inspiring when the power tubes began running at the 4 ohm level, and things got even better, because he was not struggling to get what he wanted from his system, and he was still mic'd.

We have seen the 800W of Guitar get mic'd on an outdoor gig and there being no wire for the Bass, and the Bass take on 2000W of PA and 800W of Guitar and still pound the Festival Field from the Flatbed Stage. [I supposed Genz did not lie about 1W of GB sounding like 2W of anyone else].

In the opinion given, we were not wanting to pass judgement on the choice of 10's. We were trying to respect that the 10's might be a tonal choice, and then help the player move to his objective of world domination [because that is what Bass is all about. right?]

When a player finds a tone that inspires him, do not ever try and take that away from him.
Just as in a studio, we work and labor to foster and support that for the Artist.

When you discover the tone that inspires you, keep your components a true to the original as you can. Then up the POWWWWA!
 

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