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Low Down Sound Club: V2

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If you go this route, you definitely will want to bridge the PLX1602 to run at 4 ohms - yielding 800 watts @ 8 ohms for each cab. Running in stereo mode @ only 300 watts per cab makes no sense: at that level, you will not begin to realize the potential of these cabs.

So that would be running mono bridged out of the amp to cabinet A and then a parallel cable to cabinet B?

You do realize that you'll be able to blow away everybody else in the band, don't you? :hmm:

MM

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My 15/6/1's showed up yesterday!

Yesterday when I got off work I had to ride the bus home, load gear into my car and immediately head out for a gig up in Bellingham WA (about 90 miles away). I was planning on just taking my Schroeder 15+L and Markbass LMTube.

Lo and behold! When I got to my front door, there were two large boxes from FedEx waiting for me. I took them inside, opened up one of them and pulled out the LDS 15/6/1, hooked up my new Carvin DCM2000L and Tech 21 VT Bass, gave it a couple of thumps to confirm that it all worked. Threw everything in my car and headed out.

When I got to the gig the opening band's bassist asked if he could use my cab, but had his own head, which was a Mesa M-Pulse 600. I let him use it (we're old friends). The whole time they were playing I kept thinking that the soundguy had the bass too high in the PA. When they finished, the bassist says "That thing pounds!" The soundguy then comes up to me and says "Are you using the same cab? I didn't have him in the PA at all and wouldn't mind just running off stage volume for the bass again." ...I was dumbfounded. I thought the PA was blasting all of the bass I was hearing, but it was ALL the 15/6/1. I couldn't believe it.

I got on stage, hooked up my Carvin/Tech21 rig and checked my levels. Played the gig and had absolutely no shortage of volume to say the least. That gig was with my funk/pop/rock band and I have another gig tonight with my modern pop-country band. I'll post a more complete review after tonight's gig, but here are my initial impressions:

Fit, finish and form factor
These cabs absolutely scream quality. Don did a fantastic job on these. These are the tall version of Don's 15/6 design. They're quite a bit bigger than I had envisioned when I ordered them. Not a bad thing as I have enough vehicle space to haul them easily and I really don't have any problem with a cab giving it's woofer adequate internal volume. I haven't weighed them yet, but I'm guessing they're somewhere in the high-40's to low-50's (pounds). The side handles are placed high enough on the cab that picking them up and moving them around is easy. They're tall enough that despite being capable of lifting one in each hand, they're a bit awkward to carry two at the same time. The grills are perfect, the corners all fit perfectly flush, the bedliner finish is much smoother than the similar finish on Schroeder cabs. It felt a bit tacky to touch still, but I didn't hear any peeling/cracking noises as I pulled my rack case off at the end of the night, so I'm not too concerned with it. The only concern I have is that one of the cabs doesn't sit perfectly flat on the ground. It's minor (very minor), but there's a tiny bit of wobble, like when you have a chair that has one of its 4 legs a hair longer. This is bothersome, but it's such an insignificant amount that I don't think I'm going to bug Don about it.

Volume:
After reading all of the 15/6 threads I was a bit skeptical about people's volume reports regarding these cabs. Any skepticism I had has been wiped from mind. One of these cabs was carrying the room and quite frankly, dominating the PA. The PA wasn't overly loud like in some clubs, but it was still pumping pretty hard. No problem hearing one of these at all. I ordered two of these because I was paranoid about having enough volume... Whoops... I easily could have done with a single cab and been more than fine for any stage I'll be playing in the near future.

Tone:
I ordered these with a 3015LF, 6nd410, tweeter and Ralf's 800hz crossover. L-Pad's for the tweeter and the midrange are separate and there's no fixed padding. I've heard these described as having a bit of a vintage tonality. I can't say that I agree with that, nor would I say this is a modern sounding cab (I'm generalizing here, but modern cabs that I'd use for comparison against what a modern tone is would be the Epifani UL410, Berg AE410, Schroeder 15+L). This is more like running through a really high end, full range PA cab. Everything is there in balance. I did feel like my playing was under a microscope courtesy of the 6nd410. I like that kind of detail, so to me it was a nice thing to hear.

Let's go from the bottom up.
3015LF: I was really blown away by how much bottom end was coming out of this driver. I haven't had time to sufficiently break in these cabs, but the first note I played was quite thunderous. I'm driving these with plenty of power and even though last night was a fairly loud application, the 3015LF looked like it was barely moving. I expected that with it's really long xMax I'd be able to see the speaker moving back and forth, but to my surprise it looked like it was barely getting going. Very smooth sounding low end with no apparent peaks and valleys, at least as it compares to the Schroeder 15+L and previous Schroeder 410R that I've become accustomed to.

6nd410: I can't believe how much sound comes out of this guy! I rolled the L-Pad all the way down to about 25%. Very articulate and slightly aggressive midrange tonality from this speaker. Very robust. Much smoother upper mids than having a tweeter handle them like in a conventional 2-way design. I can see why the fEarful guys have been going to a fixed pad on the midrange. If there's no adverse effects from running my L-Pad down around 25% I'll just leave it, but I could definitely see going to a fixed pad.

Tweeter: I can see why people build these without the tweeter. I had the L-Pad on the tweeter rolled back to about 25% (like the midrange) and found a nice balance. Without the upper midrange being forced into the tweeter like on conventional 2-way designs, the sound coming from it was very airy and glassy. It was not unlike the upper-treble voicing of the Epifani UL tweeters. With the midrange handling all of the upper mids, this tweeter didn't sound harsh at all. I can still see certain gigs where I'll roll the tweeter down to around 5-10%. Ordering without the tweeter would be just fine and frankly I don't think you'd be missing much without it in there as most of the top end from a bass will be covered by the 6nd410. If you're trying to get some of that Marcus top end the tweeter would be a necessity. All that said, I'm glad it's there.

Overall: I'm very impressed with these after one gig. I'll know more tonight after a second gig in a different genre. Having one to use for live stuff and one to use as a drum monitor for my eDrums is going to be nice. I'll report back on how it works for that task once I get it all hooked up to my drum brain.

No new cab post would be complete without pics:

Overkill to be sure. The rack on top is 3U if you want a visual reference
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Sexy
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Looks to me like those are the fEarful formfactor and not Don's :) Might want to measure them but I am pretty sure. Amazing.

Let us know how they work with the e-drums. I don't have horns on mine so I never tried it, but my 3080 SCREAMS with the e-drums.
 
Looks to me like those are the fEarful formfactor and not Don's :) Might want to measure them but I am pretty sure. Amazing.

Let us know how they work with the e-drums. I don't have horns on mine so I never tried it, but my 3080 SCREAMS with the e-drums.

My construction notes from Don indicate that they are 30" tall x 20" wide x 16" deep. That seems about right, but I'm not at home with a tape measure to confirm. Regardless of the form factor, they absolutely POUND!

I'll keep you updated on the eDrum monitor use. I'm expecting good things, especially given how much sound the 6nd410 puts out... More to come after tonight's gig... Speaking of that gig... Gotta go!
 
My construction notes from Don indicate that they are 30" tall x 20" wide x 16" deep. That seems about right, but I'm not at home with a tape measure to confirm. Regardless of the form factor, they absolutely POUND!

I'll keep you updated on the eDrum monitor use. I'm expecting good things, especially given how much sound the 6nd410 puts out... More to come after tonight's gig... Speaking of that gig... Gotta go!

Awesome. I'm bummed that Don is so busy. Gone are the days of him bringing these over for me to 'test', and then a nice lunch:crying: They look great. I'm looking forward to my 115HO. Don won't even talk to me about it at this point:D
 
Looks to me like those are the fEarful formfactor and not Don's :) Might want to measure them but I am pretty sure. Amazing.

Heh, you fEarful guys kill me. When I posted my fEarful-inspired LDS 15/6 on the thread, two separate fanboys PMed me and pointed out where Don deviated from the plans, then virtually demanded that I remove my post from the thread, as my cabinet isn't a "true" fEarful. Sigh. I did find it entertaining that neither of the members that contacted me own either a "true" fEarful or a LDS cabinet.

The dimensions and overall design are taken directly from the fEarful plans. Don moves some internal bracing and puts the handles in a slightly different location. He also has slightly different orientation of the mid and tweet. He also prefers 3/4 to 1/2. Silky's design looks identical to mine.
 
My 15/6/1's showed up yesterday!

Yesterday when I got off work I had to ride the bus home, load gear into my car and immediately head out for a gig up in Bellingham WA (about 90 miles away). I was planning on just taking my Schroeder 15+L and Markbass LMTube.

Lo and behold! When I got to my front door, there were two large boxes from FedEx waiting for me. I took them inside, opened up one of them and pulled out the LDS 15/6/1, hooked up my new Carvin DCM2000L and Tech 21 VT Bass, gave it a couple of thumps to confirm that it all worked. Threw everything in my car and headed out.

When I got to the gig the opening band's bassist asked if he could use my cab, but had his own head, which was a Mesa M-Pulse 600. I let him use it (we're old friends). The whole time they were playing I kept thinking that the soundguy had the bass too high in the PA. When they finished, the bassist says "That thing pounds!" The soundguy then comes up to me and says "Are you using the same cab? I didn't have him in the PA at all and wouldn't mind just running off stage volume for the bass again." ...I was dumbfounded. I thought the PA was blasting all of the bass I was hearing, but it was ALL the 15/6/1. I couldn't believe it.

I got on stage, hooked up my Carvin/Tech21 rig and checked my levels. Played the gig and had absolutely no shortage of volume to say the least. That gig was with my funk/pop/rock band and I have another gig tonight with my modern pop-country band. I'll post a more complete review after tonight's gig, but here are my initial impressions:

Fit, finish and form factor
These cabs absolutely scream quality. Don did a fantastic job on these. These are the tall version of Don's 15/6 design. They're quite a bit bigger than I had envisioned when I ordered them. Not a bad thing as I have enough vehicle space to haul them easily and I really don't have any problem with a cab giving it's woofer adequate internal volume. I haven't weighed them yet, but I'm guessing they're somewhere in the high-40's to low-50's (pounds). The side handles are placed high enough on the cab that picking them up and moving them around is easy. They're tall enough that despite being capable of lifting one in each hand, they're a bit awkward to carry two at the same time. The grills are perfect, the corners all fit perfectly flush, the bedliner finish is much smoother than the similar finish on Schroeder cabs. It felt a bit tacky to touch still, but I didn't hear any peeling/cracking noises as I pulled my rack case off at the end of the night, so I'm not too concerned with it. The only concern I have is that one of the cabs doesn't sit perfectly flat on the ground. It's minor (very minor), but there's a tiny bit of wobble, like when you have a chair that has one of its 4 legs a hair longer. This is bothersome, but it's such an insignificant amount that I don't think I'm going to bug Don about it.

Volume:
After reading all of the 15/6 threads I was a bit skeptical about people's volume reports regarding these cabs. Any skepticism I had has been wiped from mind. One of these cabs was carrying the room and quite frankly, dominating the PA. The PA wasn't overly loud like in some clubs, but it was still pumping pretty hard. No problem hearing one of these at all. I ordered two of these because I was paranoid about having enough volume... Whoops... I easily could have done with a single cab and been more than fine for any stage I'll be playing in the near future.

Tone:
I ordered these with a 3015LF, 6nd410, tweeter and Ralf's 800hz crossover. L-Pad's for the tweeter and the midrange are separate and there's no fixed padding. I've heard these described as having a bit of a vintage tonality. I can't say that I agree with that, nor would I say this is a modern sounding cab (I'm generalizing here, but modern cabs that I'd use for comparison against what a modern tone is would be the Epifani UL410, Berg AE410, Schroeder 15+L). This is more like running through a really high end, full range PA cab. Everything is there in balance. I did feel like my playing was under a microscope courtesy of the 6nd410. I like that kind of detail, so to me it was a nice thing to hear.

Let's go from the bottom up.
3015LF: I was really blown away by how much bottom end was coming out of this driver. I haven't had time to sufficiently break in these cabs, but the first note I played was quite thunderous. I'm driving these with plenty of power and even though last night was a fairly loud application, the 3015LF looked like it was barely moving. I expected that with it's really long xMax I'd be able to see the speaker moving back and forth, but to my surprise it looked like it was barely getting going. Very smooth sounding low end with no apparent peaks and valleys, at least as it compares to the Schroeder 15+L and previous Schroeder 410R that I've become accustomed to.

6nd410: I can't believe how much sound comes out of this guy! I rolled the L-Pad all the way down to about 25%. Very articulate and slightly aggressive midrange tonality from this speaker. Very robust. Much smoother upper mids than having a tweeter handle them like in a conventional 2-way design. I can see why the fEarful guys have been going to a fixed pad on the midrange. If there's no adverse effects from running my L-Pad down around 25% I'll just leave it, but I could definitely see going to a fixed pad.

Tweeter: I can see why people build these without the tweeter. I had the L-Pad on the tweeter rolled back to about 25% (like the midrange) and found a nice balance. Without the upper midrange being forced into the tweeter like on conventional 2-way designs, the sound coming from it was very airy and glassy. It was not unlike the upper-treble voicing of the Epifani UL tweeters. With the midrange handling all of the upper mids, this tweeter didn't sound harsh at all. I can still see certain gigs where I'll roll the tweeter down to around 5-10%. Ordering without the tweeter would be just fine and frankly I don't think you'd be missing much without it in there as most of the top end from a bass will be covered by the 6nd410. If you're trying to get some of that Marcus top end the tweeter would be a necessity. All that said, I'm glad it's there.

Overall: I'm very impressed with these after one gig. I'll know more tonight after a second gig in a different genre. Having one to use for live stuff and one to use as a drum monitor for my eDrums is going to be nice. I'll report back on how it works for that task once I get it all hooked up to my drum brain.

Great review. I gigged my this weekend as well, and would generally agree with your assessment. I had a chance to break mine in a bit before the gig, so I had lots of low end from the 3015lf. I found that it broke in even more during the gig and sounded GREAT by the end of the night. The mid is also amazing. I actually found I had a bit too much mid, especially when slapping, and I had to engage my mid scoop on my Genz when I slapped. The tweet? Meh, a bit harsh. I, too had mine dialed back to about 25%, and I found that a bit too much at times. The tweet is definitely not necessary in these cabs, unless you like that high-end clanky sound. I could easily cut mine off completely and be happy, as the mid seems to cover the high end pretty well.

The fEarful format is nice. It's nice to have the mid / tweet up higher, but I must say I was a bit underwhelmed given all the hype. The monitoring capabilities is slightly better than my other cabs, but not in any sort of dramatic fashion. I played a room I've played dozens of times before with several different cabs, so it was a great comparison. Since this room is small, I am standing right in front of my cab all night. At that distance, I was hearing mostly mid and tweet, so I had to keep reminding myself that it sounded different in the room. Two of my musically-inclined friends were there last night and they were both impressed with my tone and range. Both were sitting off-axis, but said my tone was full and deep from their vantage point. Digging in on my Sadowsky Metro yielded a fantastic mid-range growl superior to what I've gotten out of any of my other cabs to date. Both the woofer and mid are super sensitive, so I found myself being extra careful about keeping a consistent level with my plucking hand. My Boss limiter came in handy during the songs where I intentionally dig in to get a certain tone.

While the cabinet is big, it's easy to transport given it's lightweight. I had no problem carting mine up and down stairs or loading it in my car. Don's construction quality is truly some of the best I've ever seen.

Some have mentioned that the 15/6 designs need lots of wattage to sound good. I played mine with 375 watts from my ShuttleMax 6.0 and found that to be totally untrue. In this small venue, I was running my master at about 11:00 and has no issues driving the cab. If you plan on building one of these cabs, don't go run out and buy a 2,000 watt head until you test it with your existing head first. Unless you're playing auditoriums, I don't think you'll need it.
 
Yep, seems that some folks think that the 3015LF's power handling specs mean that it requires that much power. Actually it has average sensitivity and the fEarful (style) cab design maximizes it for efficiency.

+1 People seem to confuse 'able to handle' with 'needing'.

Per the reviews above (Nice!), that mid driver is VERY forward sounding, and even with the attenuator (which IMO is KEY for these cabs), I find that a head with a good hi mid control, centered somewhere in the 1K region, is key to controlling the 'gank' (especially when slapping). That mid driver provides a very different midrange tone than the upper end of a driver... cleaner, smoother and very present in that 'upper mid problem area' for some tone goals.... 1K-2K).... which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the tone you are going for.

Also, +1 on that tweeter, which is stupid high SPL. If found the best balance with the attenuator almost all the way off... just adds a nice little bit of sparkle.
 
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